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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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authenticforgery · 30/11/2021 11:56

I don't think you're being unreasonable OP. I went there once.. Once was more than enough.

Pinkdelight3 · 30/11/2021 11:57

I grew up somewhere very like Wigan in that same area and moved away for uni, never moved back. I never really fitted in, but still have friends there and an affection for it that obviously you don't share.

I think the key thing is that you (and I) can and will move away. The grim outlook you're talking about is from people who are stuck there with few choices and often many problems. I know people in my hometown who've never even left for a day, let alone contemplated the possibility of a life elsewhere. Their world is very small and tribal. Loathe them if you like, but you're leaving and they're not. Sounds like your 'leftiness' was quite naive and has gone from one extreme of simplicity to another, which is probably easier to deal with. Truth is people are complicated. Some of the folk you talk about loathing may be way better people than you when push comes to shove. Even in extreme deprivation, there's often still vestiges of the 'do anything for anyone' attitude - often regardless of race on a one-on-one basis - that isn't always so prevalent in naicer places. But everyone is different.

You don't have to like Wigan. You should definitely leave and find somewhere more your style. That doesn't make you a snob. We all have places we feel more at home and others where we don't.

Pigeoninthehouse · 30/11/2021 11:58

'Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications.'
Very curious to know which part of Wigan this is.

Drumshambo · 30/11/2021 11:58

Sad thing is op, it could be any number of places in the UK. There are a lot of truly awful places to live. Get yourself out of there. and do your research next time.

Pipsquiggle · 30/11/2021 11:58

OK OP - I get it.

I was guessing Blackburn or Burnley. I would put Wigan in this bracket.

You've come from gorgeous Kendal - a small lovely community on the outskirts of a beautiful National Park to Wigan very much a post industrial large town that has had NO investments for generations - although they do have good pies!

Yes I was brought up in this area. I moved away and stayed away, I get the ingrained poverty and lack of opportunities can get you down, particularly when you know what else is out there. Some parts of these towns are genuinely grim, however, all of these areas have lovely parts to them. Also there are gorgeous villages all around.

I would not like to live in some parts of this town, however, property prices will be cheap and actually most people are nice - you are in a very big town though, so if you want more of a 'community' feel you need to move to one of the beautiful nearby villages

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:59

i love all this engaging with community stuff, it is so, so far from the point,
there really, really isnt one, unless you are into sports, smoking weed and screaming at your family.

That said, i am ok for friends, stuff to do, and my work life & relationship is happy. It is just a shitty environment.
lol at the post suggesting i did creative writing - im a painter and work in digital design. I also write articles now and then. Perhaps im doing it wrong Grin

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ThreeLocusts · 30/11/2021 12:00

Also OP, have you read Orwell's 'The road to Wigan pier'? You may like it as he couldn't find much to like in Wigan either.

OhMyCrump · 30/11/2021 12:01

[quote DaisyNGO]OP

"It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep."

last post

good tune for you, OP

[/quote] I find a lot of Sam Fenders material expresses the same sort of sentiment really well.

When you live somewhere like the OP but aren't from that world yourself its a weird position you occupy.
My kids are going to school with children who have this outlook, deprived lives, depressing home lives. I'm absolutely not without sympathy. Not at all.
I recognise the cyclic nature of it.

MajesticWhine · 30/11/2021 12:01

You sound angry and depressed and project the misery onto everything you see. But I get it's easy for me to say that, I'm not in Wigan.
You write beautifully btw OP.

Bumpsadaisie · 30/11/2021 12:01

I think this is a creation of your own mind. Perhaps you have laboured under an ideological delusion about society and how you're trying to deal with it.

Let's say there are 50,000 people in your town. 50,000. That's 50.000 individuals lives. 50,000 ups and downs. 50,000 good moods or rubbish days.

The people in your area are 50,000 real people. Each of them with the complexity and variety that every human has. They aren't a homogenous "social class" or set of cultural attributes or social problems.

They are all real individual people varied, complex, loving enjoying and hating just like you.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 12:02

@Pipsquiggle

OK OP - I get it.

I was guessing Blackburn or Burnley. I would put Wigan in this bracket.

You've come from gorgeous Kendal - a small lovely community on the outskirts of a beautiful National Park to Wigan very much a post industrial large town that has had NO investments for generations - although they do have good pies!

Yes I was brought up in this area. I moved away and stayed away, I get the ingrained poverty and lack of opportunities can get you down, particularly when you know what else is out there. Some parts of these towns are genuinely grim, however, all of these areas have lovely parts to them. Also there are gorgeous villages all around.

I would not like to live in some parts of this town, however, property prices will be cheap and actually most people are nice - you are in a very big town though, so if you want more of a 'community' feel you need to move to one of the beautiful nearby villages

We are regrettably near the centre. The worst parts, if you discount Marsh Green. Not a council area but very rough terraced streets. The properties usually go to overseas landlords, who fill them with low income workers, often two to a room. Or else they are cannabis farms, our party walls are red hot due to the lamps next door. We have reported it to police and human trafficking several times to no avail.

We are possibly just not community spirited enough.

Wigan used to be ok, i have a few family members who moved to Billinge.

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Bluntness100 · 30/11/2021 12:03

I think some of these responses are from incredibly privileged people who have never lived somewhere like the op describes. It’s not as easy as engaging with the local community, I’m sure there are lovely people but it doesn’t mean that the overwhelming amount of petty crime and attitudes you don’t like doesn’t put you off.

As said, my brother lived in a very bad area of eater house, it was terrifying just getting off the bus and walking along to his boarded up flat never mind fucking engaging with people along the way.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 12:03

I think this is a creation of your own mind

you need to get out more.
talk about gaslighting. fucking hilarious comment.

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FortVictoria · 30/11/2021 12:03

It sounds hideous OP. I am glad you are moving soon. Sometimes we live in places where we just don’t fit in. That’s not necessarily a reflection on you - you sound like you have given it a lot of thought, and tried to be reflective and self aware. Your neighbours sound a lot like they haven’t done the same! I hope you love your new home!! And yes, you’re allowed to judge people on the inside. That’s our natural default position. It’s how we act on the outside that determines the kind of person we are, and you sound like you’re doing fine.

Pigeoninthehouse · 30/11/2021 12:03

@OnenessWithAllStrife

i love all this engaging with community stuff, it is so, so far from the point, there really, really isnt one, unless you are into sports, smoking weed and screaming at your family.

That said, i am ok for friends, stuff to do, and my work life & relationship is happy. It is just a shitty environment.
lol at the post suggesting i did creative writing - im a painter and work in digital design. I also write articles now and then. Perhaps im doing it wrong Grin

There absolutely is community acitvities to engage in that do not include what you have said. I'm not surprised you've failed to make proper connections if that is your attitude.
foxgoosefinch · 30/11/2021 12:03

@OnenessWithAllStrife

Ok ladies it is sitting snugly and proudly between Manchester and Liverpool.
I know what you mean and I grew up somewhere very like this. Left at the earliest opportunity I could. It’s actually improved since then, but it was a hellish place to live at the time. So I can well believe you.

(Is it Runcorn? Widnes?)

stayathomer · 30/11/2021 12:04

ChrissyPlummer

It sounds a bit like where I live (though worse - and I didn’t think that was possible!). I’d do anything to move away again, but we just can’t afford it at the moment without taking a huge hit on our savings.

I too, feel trapped and it is one source of my anxiety and depression. The reason my town is like this was identified as something called “poverty of aspiration”. No one has done anything about it though.

If you have savings use them and move!

SueSaid · 30/11/2021 12:04

'i love all this engaging with community stuff, it is so, so far from the point, there really, really isnt one, unless you are into sports, smoking weed and screaming at your family.'

Such awful sneering comments op. All this dissatisfaction can't be Wigan's fault can it?! I'd look closer to home if I were you. Have you heard of projection?

AdmiralCain · 30/11/2021 12:04

Wigan sounds like Detroit.

SueSaid · 30/11/2021 12:05

'(Is it Runcorn? Widnes?)'

It's Wigan. WIGAN.

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 12:05

@JaniieJones

'i love all this engaging with community stuff, it is so, so far from the point, there really, really isnt one, unless you are into sports, smoking weed and screaming at your family.'

Such awful sneering comments op. All this dissatisfaction can't be Wigan's fault can it?! I'd look closer to home if I were you. Have you heard of projection?

come out of your ivory tower, you sound fairly inexperienced.
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Bumpsadaisie · 30/11/2021 12:05

@OnenessWithAllStrife

I think this is a creation of your own mind

you need to get out more.
talk about gaslighting. fucking hilarious comment.

Sorry? I'm lost?

foxgoosefinch · 30/11/2021 12:06

Ah I see it’s Wigan. I know Wigan, a bit (though it isn’t where I grew up). You’re not wrong OP, despite the howls of others on the thread. People who live in the South (SE especially) often have no idea at all about what some (and I say some) bits of the north are like.

crackofdoom · 30/11/2021 12:07

Did celebrity Wiganite Stuart Maconie not write a book called “Pies and Prejudice”?

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 12:09

So i implore all of you who consider me to be a terrible snob to sell up and come to live in wigan! You will love it, going off what you say. You would integrate with the community so much better than i, im certain.

Look, i grew up safe and blinkered to this shit too, but now ive seen it. End of.

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