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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 30/11/2021 11:42

I don't know why some people are being so chippy with you, some places are just shit. And some places just don't suit you, or you are at the wrong stage of your life for them. I've moved around a bit, I couldn't get out of my home town fast enough. There were some perfectly nice people, but a country town in NI was never going to be where I settled. I've never set foot in it since I left. So you need to move, if you already have plans to do that I hope your next place is a better fit. I moved countries a few times and didn't find my happy place until I was in my 40s. I couldn't be happier with where I live now!

x2boys · 30/11/2021 11:43

Do you wanna hear my Wigan jokes op?

steppemum · 30/11/2021 11:43

@NotQuiteFinishedYet

My guess is Swindon !?
I live in Swindon, and I'm nice, so it can't be Swindon Grin

seriously though, Swindon doesn't even vaguely fit this description from the inside, it is the image that it has form the outside. While it can be rough and ready in parts, and it certainly has pockets of severe poverty, it is a place with a lot of heart.
I won't hear a word said against it Grin

AdmiralCain · 30/11/2021 11:44

I was trying to guess where, I had Jaywick! Peterborough, somewhere nolfolky Lowerstoft, Mansfield or Blackburn or yes the medway. Wigan doesn't suprise me.
I've been to hull 2-3 times, friendly folk, chatty. It wouldn't be a place to never visit again.

buntybanana · 30/11/2021 11:46

@x2boys

Do you wanna hear my Wigan jokes op?

I do!

KrakowDawn · 30/11/2021 11:46

Also, I grew up about 20 miles away from Wigan, in an archetypal crap town, and I will never, ever go back there, not for any reason. It was truly awful.

digitalvertigo · 30/11/2021 11:46

@OhMyCrump

I know what you mean OP. I also recognise what you mean about armchair 'lefties' who never actually have to live somewhere like that. I still consider myself a leftie as I still think the root of a lot of these problems is in the way we deal with society and rooted inequalities. But I still feel it is ok to say some places are shit and not nice places to live. I hate parts of my town. Yes, I look down on people vomiting in the street, shouting at kids, smoking in their babies faces. Yes I judge them!! Yes I think they have not had the privilege of my start in life, yes they could be treated better by our government, yes they need help. I think its possible to think all those things.
Completely agree with you. If anyone on my local area's facebook page says anything that remotely sounds like a concern regarding homeless people e.g someone shouting abuse at passers by outside the local shop, then the same posters every time will shut them down immediately for mentioning it and deride them for a lack of compassion. It's bizarre, it's fine to want to live in a nice place and ultimately not helpful to pretend that some issues aren't problems to be solved but to be left and ignored instead.
PinkLadyFriday · 30/11/2021 11:46

I see it’s Wigan but sounds exactly like Stoke on Trent.
I love the way you describe it so eloquently I wish I could!
Stoke is and was the worst place I’ve ever had the misfortune of visiting/staying. I never met one nice person and even now some 15 years later if I speak to anyone nasty or unpleasant I immediately think they must be from there.
Often I’m right! I know this is a form of discrimination but it’s so very true.
Good luck with getting out.

KrakowDawn · 30/11/2021 11:47

@x2boys

Do you wanna hear my Wigan jokes op?
Orwell, go on then Wink
DaisyNGO · 30/11/2021 11:47

[quote Wingutyoy]@DaisyNGO Sorry just venting, I should save it for another thread Wink

I agree racism is not acceptable in any form, but living like places the OP is complain about. Many are not allowed to speak up, about own experiences as you will be braded some form of "ist" and it is really starting to bubble under the surface in many communities I know.

Its extremely counter productive and stifles serious discussions from all parts of the community.[/quote]
I agree. the people who think it's okay to call the Mayor an Uncle Tom, they call me similar names. It's one reason I want to leave London.

But we must be careful what we say here.

I also was really irked by the OP reference to how neighbours used to be owners but now are renters. We own but seriously - the snobbery with these people who say they are on the left, but then who are amazed that the Red Wall got smashed?

there is a really vicious snobbery in the OP.

I really am going now.....time for another nice soothing episode of Triggernometry. And I'm not joking!!

LadyRoughDiamond · 30/11/2021 11:47

Vote for Lowestoft or Kings Lynn here

Seymour5 · 30/11/2021 11:47

There is a saying that was often used where we used to live ‘take us as you find us’, basically meaning ‘we are the salt of the earth, no airs and graces, how people should be’. Great if you sound and look the same, express dislike of anyone ‘different’, have no aspiration other than enough money to go to the local club, and raise your kids to feel the same.

We moved. Not far, within the same town, but to an area where there were other ‘incomers’. It was the right choice.

Drumshambo · 30/11/2021 11:49

I've just seen it"s Wigan. You poor sod! Get yourself out of there. It's one of the biggest shitholes in the UK.

DaisyNGO · 30/11/2021 11:50

OP

"It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep."

last post

good tune for you, OP

Marimaur · 30/11/2021 11:51

What you’re describing sounds familiar to me - I felt this way about the town I grew up in. I was depressed and filtered out the good stuff, couldn’t see it at all. I think it’s entirely possible many people are depressed and feeling this way, letting things go to shit.

x2boys · 30/11/2021 11:51

@buntybannana
What do you call a pie on top of Wigan town hall clock ?
Something to eight/ate
Has to be said in a Wigan accent
What do you call three pies on top of each other
A Wigan wedding cake
In a gym class in Wigan the teacher said right ladies hands on thighs
When she turned round they all had their hands on their eyes .

OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 11:52

@JaniieJones

Oh op, so much anger and fury! Can't you channel all that energy into something constructive?

There is good and bad everywhere, your sweeping generalisations stinks tbh.

'Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications.'

I mean seriously, are you doing a creative writing course or something?

Positivity op, try it! Smile at neighbours and be nice. They can't all be racist arseholes 🙄.

what a patronising little comment.

get a grip.

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TeloMere · 30/11/2021 11:53

I came on here ready to say YANBU, disappointed as thought your thread title meant you loathed all mumsnetters.

Dahlietta · 30/11/2021 11:53

YABU because Wigan has always been like that Wink

Coolwaterscoolcool · 30/11/2021 11:54

Yes but assuming everyone who lives in Wigan is racist is most enlightened. Is it a stretch to think some people might not be? I mean YOU live there…

BobLemon · 30/11/2021 11:54

“ there isnt a community. it isnt the cotswolds love.”

Lol, this made me properly chuckle.

So much of your first post resonates with my family in a similar situation to yours.

Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'. - this with bells on.

They’re still loving people despite this and I’ve always enjoyed seeing them. Recently I moved to a new house (in a v different area) and I voiced to my mum and dad I was going to invite them round. “DONT!” replied my dad. I was too confused to be able to process what he said afterwards so couldn’t repeat it verbatim… but in essence, I had become the pesto eater.

MooseBreath · 30/11/2021 11:54

I have heard that Wigan sucks. It's good you're getting out in the next year or so.

It's not everybody's cup of tea (it's not mine), but have you considered joining the WI? MIL tells me the chapters up north are generally filled with nice people. You may find some people who even make their own pesto!

Glasspen · 30/11/2021 11:54

It's interesting to see people defending grim places like this - we should all be appalled, the lovely honest, law-abiding people who live there should be appalled too, they deserve better - why are posters defending that bloody awful life. Reduce it down to the OP's snobbish tendencies if you like - but you are missing the point.

Pigeoninthehouse · 30/11/2021 11:54

I knew you were going to say Wigan.
I grew in North West and lived for a time in Wigan.
You don't sound particularly engaged with your community, you are just talking from an observational point of view. If you had built any significant relationships you would know that the majority of Wiganer's are living, breathing people, not too dissimilar to you, with a range of opinions and beliefs.
Presumably if you are moving with DHs work it one of the nicer parts of the town, as opposed to the arse end of it. Scared to mention pesto. WTF ?

Join some community groups, get to the gym and meet some people and stop basing your opinions on stereoytpes.

DottyHarmer · 30/11/2021 11:55

Mean to say it’s Castleford! I went there last year and the town was quite bustling, and the people very friendly. I accidentally bumped into someone in the market and they said, “Y’alright, love!” Down south in the posh places they’d have given you a death stare and in the crap places a “Fuckin’ look where yer goin’, will ya?!”

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