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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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DaisyNGO · 30/11/2021 11:26

@Wingutyoy

I'm the wrong colour, I get shouted at, dad was spat at fairly recently in his naice town.

Funnily enough my DP and I are white and had the exact experience in Nelson, Lancashire and Bradford, West Yorkshire. But then again we can`t say this can we!

I'm sorry I apologise for using the words "wrong colour"

I think there are serious issues with racism in all directions and it's very clear in London too

I am, foolishly, reacting off my annoyance at OP. I shall get off MN and "shake it off".

SueSaid · 30/11/2021 11:27

Oh op, so much anger and fury! Can't you channel all that energy into something constructive?

There is good and bad everywhere, your sweeping generalisations stinks tbh.

'Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications.'

I mean seriously, are you doing a creative writing course or something?

Positivity op, try it! Smile at neighbours and be nice. They can't all be racist arseholes 🙄.

buntybanana · 30/11/2021 11:27

I am living for the first time in my life in a place with a really really strong community and i can tell you unequivocally that lots of places don't have a community.

Completely agree. Even if it did have a community, from what OP has said I doubt she would be welcomed into it. I don't think people realise how insular some places are. Education & critical thinking are the enemy and you will be shunned. I have experienced this too!!

OhMyCrump · 30/11/2021 11:28

I know what you mean OP. I also recognise what you mean about armchair 'lefties' who never actually have to live somewhere like that.
I still consider myself a leftie as I still think the root of a lot of these problems is in the way we deal with society and rooted inequalities.
But I still feel it is ok to say some places are shit and not nice places to live.
I hate parts of my town. Yes, I look down on people vomiting in the street, shouting at kids, smoking in their babies faces. Yes I judge them!! Yes I think they have not had the privilege of my start in life, yes they could be treated better by our government, yes they need help. I think its possible to think all those things.

SovietSpy · 30/11/2021 11:29

I get it OP.

Some people really don’t get the ingrained nature of some of the issues in certain communities. England has plenty of shit holes. It’s not snobby to say it as most people wouldn’t want to live in them. I think there’s so many towns with litter, graffiti, looking shabby with antisocial issues galore. Some of it could be poverty but I also think there are places you could throw any money at and it wouldn’t change things.

Why should OP have to come in as community saviour and fix things, what about all the other people that live there? Clearly they are happy with the stay quo or they’d leave or do something about it themselves.

Chocolatier9 · 30/11/2021 11:29

What sort of area are you moving to OP, and have you researched it? Is it far away from Wigan and is it city or rural?

steppemum · 30/11/2021 11:30

@Birdsnesting

I spent eight years living in a chocolate-box pretty, prosperous English village, and had come to absolutely loathe the collective mindset of most of the inhabitants by the time we left -- this wasn't any kind of side-effect of poverty (the village had just come out close to the top of 'most prosperous parishes' in some C of E survey), it was a kind of big and small-C conservatism, an insularity and deep suspicion of any form of novelty. It was easily the most depressing place I've ever lived.
I have had similar experience Grin
AdoraBell · 30/11/2021 11:32

Sounds like the area were I grew up. Apparently I’m posh be I say think instead fink.

We’ve moved a lot and when DDs started at secondary school, halfway through due to us living abroad and I know that made them different, they were derided for wanting to attend University. Also their diet, they wanted to eat vegetables, fruit and salad. That was unacceptable to their peers.

QuestionNumberOne · 30/11/2021 11:32

I think there is sometimes something very patronising and middle-class about insisting a rough area has ‘down to earth warmth’ or whatever when actually, what maybe exists there is evidence of a broken society and the understandably miserable, angry people who are trapped in it. And those people who can’t get out are suffering and it shows up in certain ways. The further away a sense of positive agency is, the more ‘loathsome’ people may seem/behave.

You’re allowed to hate it OP because it sounds fucking horrendous. But there is context, it’s human suffering. I feel you acknowledge this but have had enough. You’re lucky - you can get out. You have options.

Wingutyoy · 30/11/2021 11:34

@DaisyNGO Sorry just venting, I should save it for another thread Wink

I agree racism is not acceptable in any form, but living like places the OP is complain about. Many are not allowed to speak up, about own experiences as you will be braded some form of "ist" and it is really starting to bubble under the surface in many communities I know.

Its extremely counter productive and stifles serious discussions from all parts of the community.

OneTC · 30/11/2021 11:35

Basically you've grown up and mostly lived in an area where you were untroubled by deprivation and held quite strong views about how great poor people were and now you live in Croydon or somewhere and realise that actually poor people are simply ghastly

Now you feel like your parents

lazylinguist · 30/11/2021 11:35

I get you, OP. It's unfortunate but not that surprising that you've had a bit of a flaming. I haven't lived somewhere like that, but I believe your description and it's very obvious that your post is coming from a place of misery and frustration, not superiority.

It's interesting that the racist, bigoted, small-minded, anti-social and non pc attitudes you're describing in your area are exactly the kinds of things that MN usually (quite rightly) angrily derides. But because they don't believe your claim that a whole town/local area can be pervaded by those attitudes, somehow you're being superior. I'd absolutely hate to live somewhere like that. I'm not surprised you can't wait to get out!

Chasingaftermidnight · 30/11/2021 11:35

I understand OP. It’s easy to get all sentimental and misty-eyed about cheeky chappy stereotypes when being surrounded by racist violence and drug-fuelled ASB isn’t your daily reality.

limitedperiodonly · 30/11/2021 11:37

You do sound angry and depressed OP and from what you've described I don't blame you. The poster who said she'd lived all over the and that some places don't have a community is right. Or not one that you'd want to join. Even if you tried they wouldn't accept you.

It's a very interesting and honest post. It also is a much more realistic opinion than some people here are prepared to accept or express. Thanks. I hope you find somewhere good to live.

Camii · 30/11/2021 11:37

@Iooselipssinkships

I'm going with Hull.
That made me laugh.
Changes17 · 30/11/2021 11:37

@Laserbird16

Warrington?
Warrington, St Helen's or Wigan, looking at the map... Sounds like you'd be happier in a bigger city, OP. Different places suit different people. Could you move to Manchester or Liverpool and your other half commute?
Drumshambo · 30/11/2021 11:39

@ohfiddledeedee

It's somewhere in West Yorkshire, isn't it? You've articulated exactly how I feel about where I live (I'm not originally from there and yes, I want to leave but can't afford to)
That was my first thought! I'm going for Castleford in W yorks.
digitalvertigo · 30/11/2021 11:39

I can't comment on Wigan, but I do think there's interesting themes in your post. Generally there does seem to be a growing low-level malaise in society and existential angst, but I'd say this is across demographics.
It's difficult to put a finger on why, personally feel most stuff comes back to social media and the subversion of traditional community building, optimising/automation of life so we don't have as many spontaneous, relationship building experiences with each other - combine it with the broken windows theory e.g we can scroll through social media seeing examples of awful behaviour, decay etc and feel like it's everywhere? Also think people used to genuinely look to the future and feel things would be better, but perhaps people don't feel this anymore, again 24/7 newsreel of awful things happening somewhere in the world doesn't help.

x2boys · 30/11/2021 11:40

I was going with Wigan or Leigh 🤣I see it's Wigan .

moresugarpls · 30/11/2021 11:40

Do you live In Leicester OP?

esloquehay · 30/11/2021 11:40

OP, is this the first chapter of a particularly melodramatic novel, or a MN post? 🤔

MissyB1 · 30/11/2021 11:40

@OhMyCrump

I know what you mean OP. I also recognise what you mean about armchair 'lefties' who never actually have to live somewhere like that. I still consider myself a leftie as I still think the root of a lot of these problems is in the way we deal with society and rooted inequalities. But I still feel it is ok to say some places are shit and not nice places to live. I hate parts of my town. Yes, I look down on people vomiting in the street, shouting at kids, smoking in their babies faces. Yes I judge them!! Yes I think they have not had the privilege of my start in life, yes they could be treated better by our government, yes they need help. I think its possible to think all those things.
Totally agree. And I grew up on a council estate, we were as poor as church mice, free school meals etc… But we would never have dreamed of behaving like arseholes, making a nuisance of ourselves, or showing ourselves up. I am left wing definitely, but I don’t excuse shitty behaviour.
Changes17 · 30/11/2021 11:40

Ah, just seen it was Wigan. Nonetheless, my comment still stands.

ThreeLocusts · 30/11/2021 11:40

Hi OP, sorry you have such a rotten time. Sometimes you just can't gel with a place - happened to me too.

For me, it was Cambridge with all its airs and graces, massive privilege for those who fit in - colleges are socialism for the rich, really - and badly disguised contempt for the poor on the outskirts. It made me go more left-wing, not less.

KrakowDawn · 30/11/2021 11:41

At least you have pies!
Could be worse, could be Knowlsley.

The outcomes for children born there are horrific. Possibly worst in England Sad