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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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GetTheFlockOutOfHere · 30/11/2021 15:19

Dunno if this has been said coz I CBA to read 450 posts, but you know what they say; 'if you think everyone else is the arsehole, and you're not.............' Wink

Everybody else cannae be wrong @OnenessWithAllStrife

WhenSepEnds · 30/11/2021 15:19

@netflixfan

Its Runcorn isnt it.
Wigan
Fomofo · 30/11/2021 15:19

Sadly I believe men fondle their balls in public all over the world

greenmarlin · 30/11/2021 15:20

Your writing is brilliant - I am not sure where you mean but it sounds like a place that has been left behind by the government.

KhaleesiOfChaos · 30/11/2021 15:21

@x2boys Fair enough on that point. I couldn't bear to get past the first 3/4 of OPs posts so didn't RTFT.

But I still stand by me asking what's the point of the OP....saying she hates her surroundings, it's depressing and the people are awful but she can move if she wanted it. Just get on with it then!

What's the point of the thread?

FurrFeather · 30/11/2021 15:22

The usual lefties blaming Brexit! For goodness sake this has been going on for years and years. I remember Crap Town books from 15 years ago! Young people are in education until they’re 18 now too, but pokitixos want more money for that!

Can they not think out of their little boxes? It’s a much more complex issue involving loss of culture (including working class culture), aspirations, values, civic pride, self-respect, and SO much more. Material deprivation makes it worse of course - but if people can have the wit to look back in history it is clear that that is not the only or even main reason.

PotatoPie888 · 30/11/2021 15:24

@LivinginWFHlimbo My point is that those tax dodging millionaires do far more damage than ‘benefits cheats’ but we barely ever talk about them because let’s all blame the ‘undeserving poor’ instead.

shinynewapple21 · 30/11/2021 15:24

TBH I know a few areas like that and I wouldn't want to live there either . They are just housing estates though (a few streets), rather than a whole town .

Baluchistan95 · 30/11/2021 15:26

Winsford?

manolantern · 30/11/2021 15:27

@Baluchistan95

Winsford?
No, I think it's been narrowed down to Crouch End or Muswell Hill....
ColinTheKoala · 30/11/2021 15:29

Well having been to Wigan I don't recognise your description of it OP, although I can imagine certain parts are intensely depressing and it is a long time since I was last there. My grandmother lived in Horwich on the outskirts of Bolton and bits of it were nice and bits of it were really quite nasty. I am wondering though why you moved there in the first place for your husband's work as there are so many lovely place within a short drive of Wigan.

LakieLady · 30/11/2021 15:32

@Siameasy

Sounds like Medway
I initially thought it might be Croydon, but soon realised it wasn't.

A Medway town was my next guess.

I once had to try and find support for a homeless family who had been placed in a B&B in one of the Medway towns. When I rang the referral line for the service that provides that sort of support, they refused to help them because they "only support people who are in Medway by choice".

I really had to bite my tongue, but I swear he could hear me thinking "That won't be many people then".

In defence of Medway, Rainham used to have one of the best hardware stores I have ever been in. I hope it's still there.

x2boys · 30/11/2021 15:33

@ColinTheKoala

Well having been to Wigan I don't recognise your description of it OP, although I can imagine certain parts are intensely depressing and it is a long time since I was last there. My grandmother lived in Horwich on the outskirts of Bolton and bits of it were nice and bits of it were really quite nasty. I am wondering though why you moved there in the first place for your husband's work as there are so many lovely place within a short drive of Wigan.
Indeed I live in Bolton ,and there are somr very nice parts to it and other not very nice parts at all ,just like all towns I guess ,even towns in the south
ColinTheKoala · 30/11/2021 15:35

@ParsleySageRosemary

I knew it would be the north west. Grin. There is something about the culture there. Very male macho, very aggressive, very destructive, very, I don't know commercial. The only value they have is conspicuous consumption, and it is very very insular. Yes some individuals are nice, but it is a depressing region.

At one time it was widely known that the north was sexist, I don't know when it became so pc to not mention it.

This is a laughable comment. Do you really think the ultra blue voters of the south aren't sexist? They love Boris despite his sexism and racism!
ColinTheKoala · 30/11/2021 15:37

Indeed I live in Bolton ,and there are somr very nice parts to it and other not very nice parts at all ,just like all towns I guess ,even towns in the south

Even posh towns in the south have their "rough" bits - Guildford and Farnham to name but two.

mysteriouspearl · 30/11/2021 15:37

Op I get it, I grew up near a big town that where people were generally miserable, small minded and extremely inward looking. It was parochial in the extreme. I couldn't wait to leave and did as soon as I could.

mysteriouspearl · 30/11/2021 15:38

It was no surprise that the town voted in favour of Brexit

Fluffymule · 30/11/2021 15:41

*The inequality in this country is astounding. I too am in the Home Counties and the first world problems we have down here are nothing compared to whole swathes of the North

I wish people from the north and the south would get angry about regional inequality*

The 'North' have been angry for decades. Nobody listened. They got angrier and still nobody listened.

So people stopped being angry and unheard and got angry and voted in a referendum where people would have to hear them. Unlike repeated General Elections where nothing changed, whoever was in power, Blue or Red. The impact of the outcome of Brexit was of little consequence because it's just degrees of more shit already being dealt with. For decades.

So, to echo a poster above who said that 'these people' don't deserve her 'sympathy anymore' - "We reap what you sow"

We got Brexit because it's what we deserved, abandoning swathes of the Country whilst we basked comfortably in the types of communities the absolute opposite of those the OP 'loathes'.

Otherpeoplesteens · 30/11/2021 15:41

In defence of Wigan, the Sainsbury's in the nice part - the A49 heading out - is for some reason the only place in Greater Manchester I've found apart from Selfridges and the weird Brazilian minimart next to Salford cathedral that sells cachaça (Brazilian cane sugar spirit used to make caipirinha.)

SenselessUbiquity · 30/11/2021 15:44

I grew up in the North West - not Wigan - but I recognise the gratuitous, constant nastiness that some places have.

I was depressed, it was depressing, adults who worked in universities and had educated friends told me that it was all somehow my fault that I was miserable and lonely and couldn't find anyone on my wavelength.

I don't live there now, but I am not a snob. I have lots of friends on my wavelength who don't work at universities or similar (or at all), but in some places it's possible to have a generosity of spirit, and in others, there is something about the place which means it just isn't.

Look here's a 3 bed house for 90k
www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/111757136#/?channel=RES_BUY

If you're one of the posters on this thread giving the OP a hard time, and you live in a place where a 3 bed house is 350k min - even better, if you have 90k equity in your house right now and could sell up and buy this one for cash - I challenge you to do so, move to Wigan, and prove the OP wrong. Then come on here and boast about your mortgage free lifestyle, enjoying the simple things, volunteering in the "community", and "looking for similarities" and so on. Go on. Try it. I dare you. If you don't fancy it - why ever not?

PotatoPie888 · 30/11/2021 15:47

It amazes me that with all those sexist, racist people in Wigan, their MP is an Anglo-Indian woman.

Dixiechickonhols · 30/11/2021 15:48

Unless you have lived in a town like this it’s very hard to describe the mentality. I’m from Manchester but moved to an east lancs former mill town. No one spoke to me at work for first couple of months as I wasn’t local. I’m literally a few miles away now but in a place that’s regularly in top 10 of best areas in country to live. When I go back the differences are stark. 20 mins by car but East and West Germany analogy is very appropriate.
Babies in buggies with bottles of cordial sucking greggs sausage rolls, most people overweight or visible ill health, vaping, way people speak, way people treat children in public - ‘arper come here you little shit. I have no idea what answer is most people who can leave like we did.

OhMyCrump · 30/11/2021 15:52

@netflixfan

Its Runcorn isnt it.
Hmm
SueSaid · 30/11/2021 15:56

Oh @Dixiechickonhols what a load of hyperbolic sneering. It is normal to have different demographics within relatively short distances. We are similar, it's all Joules and Waitrose in one direction and Primark and sausage rolls in another. So what! Get over yourself, seriously.

SenselessUbiquity · 30/11/2021 15:56

Right i need to hear from the self righteous ones about that house or I'm going through this thread pulling quotes and naming names