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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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buntybanana · 30/11/2021 14:50

@pucelleauxblanchesmains and I wasn't berating them. I'm staying that they are unable to travel as much as the affluent. That's not their fault.

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 30/11/2021 14:50

@buntybanana It was hyperbole, but deciding that the richest people happen to be the most open-minded because they travel more is ridiculous.

tarasmalatarocks · 30/11/2021 14:51

No you aren’t unreasonable OP- I’m originally from Mansfield (very similar vibe in my opinion) moved ‘downnsouth’ When I was 31 and post divorce— have since lived in tons of places Oxford, Canterbury, Bath, London, St Albans etc — I am not a snob, still got my accent, and there are things I like in these more ‘working class’ towns- often a lot more neighbourly , but to be honest that depends if you actually get on with the neighbours. However you did spell it out exactly how I felt, so I don’t need to repeat all the stuff I hated and there was an awful lot of nasty jealousy too about anyone that ‘got on’ and knowing everyone’s business— must admit it’s not for me- and it’s not a matter of being ‘up north’ its Just the same attitude in many areas down south too, Medway, Bits of Kent and Essex Swindon, Trowbridge etc . Strangely though I love Manchester, Liverpool and the Wirral, couldn’t you have just gone to a niceish bit of one of those. There’s a much bigger mix of people

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 30/11/2021 14:53

@buntybanana And if you think I'm being overly defensive then it's because people are talking about the entire region my family are from like it's a pit of Neanderthals. My granddad left school at 14 in one of those northern towns people write off and he read in Middle English for fun. Nobody I met in my time at [redacted elite university] from leafy suburbia ever did that.

Sn0tnose · 30/11/2021 14:53

@FortunaMajor

To be fair to Tulips, I said that, not her. And it was in response to the OP talking about the people on her doorstep and there not being a community. Not a lack of community activities in the general area, of which I’m sure there are loads. My apologies for any confusion.

buntybanana · 30/11/2021 14:54

[quote pucelleauxblanchesmains]**@buntybanana* It was hyperbole, but deciding that the richest people happen to be the most open-minded because they travel more* is ridiculous.[/quote]

But do you not see the correlation between seeing more cultures and being accepting of new cultures? If you see other parts of the world, you see other ways of doing things. You communicate with people who have totally different values, opinions & experiences.

stayathomer · 30/11/2021 14:55

There's a few people saying OP is negative or didn't try to integrate etc. I would have said that myself before I lived in an area we lived in before where we were of a small minority who worked. We had every cliche going on there, people fighting, drunken people everywhere, kids out playing on the roads in the evening, police driving through regularly, people goaded our 'posh' car and saying we were all that because it worked. I didn't meet 1 positive person there. Not 1!!! And I tried like hell to get on with people who would laugh, roll eyes and make jokes such as 'you'd better go get back to your fancy job'. I can honestly see how it would break someone (it didn't me, I was younger, now I don'tknow how I'd do!!) and I'd urge people who don't feel happy where they live to try to find anywhere else

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 30/11/2021 14:57

@buntybanana Extensive travelling, probably! I remain unconvinced that this is the sort of thing that can realistically happening in a fortnight of holiday. And similarly - at least some of this is facilitated by learning foreign languages which just does not happen adequately in most British state schools.

buntybanana · 30/11/2021 14:58

@pucelleauxblanchesmains also I'm sorry that the part of the country you're from is being ragged - I mean no offence I'm just staying my observations

PotatoPie888 · 30/11/2021 15:00

Any kid in Wigan who wants to work in Germany is fucked because the sixth form college doesn’t offer German A level because of a lack of funding. But let’s all blame them for. It wanting to broaden their horizons Hmm

buntybanana · 30/11/2021 15:00

[quote buntybanana]@pucelleauxblanchesmains also I'm sorry that the part of the country you're from is being ragged - I mean no offence I'm just staying my observations [/quote]

Oh yes, I don't mean a week in a Mexican resort. And absolutely - there isn't as much chance for pupils of state schools in comparison to private. It's the sad truth

buntybanana · 30/11/2021 15:01

@pucelleauxblanchesmains meant to quote you in that last post not my reply! 🤯

LancashireExPat · 30/11/2021 15:02

When I worked in Wigan I went with a colleague to a conference in London, which necessitated a couple of nights in a hotel, eating out in restaurants, etc. She could not believe that it was the same country. If you have never travelled further than Manchester, the immediate differences you see in nicer, richer places is palpable. It is like the difference between East and West Germany 30 years ago.

I left the NW to live in the Home Counties, and absolutely it's a different place. I didn't realise how much though until I moved back.

I think everyone in the NW who hasn't already done so needs to move for 6 months, see the money that was spent on already nice places to make them even nicer, then get really angry about how much the NW is left behind.

netflixfan · 30/11/2021 15:03

Its Runcorn isnt it.

HardbackWriter · 30/11/2021 15:05

I recognise what you say about middle-class lefties who earnestly insist you must be wrong but would never live there themselves. It reminds me of when a friend of mine started working in the job centre when we'd all just left uni and said that a small minority of people he encountered were completely horrible, violent and were deliberately choosing to live off benefits. We all airily assured him that was a daily mail myth, even when he pointed out that he was talking from first-hand experience and that none of us had ever spent even 5 minutes in the company of the kind of people he was describing. We remained very convinced we were right, but I look back and cringe.

LakieLady · 30/11/2021 15:06

@Iooselipssinkships

I'm going with Hull.
Hull has nice parts though!

A very dear friend lived in a lovely big 1930s semi in a beautiful tree-lined street, and had nice neighbours. And it was City of Culture a few years ago, didn't that improve things a bit?

PotatoPie888 · 30/11/2021 15:06

@HardbackWriter tell me how those people are worse than multimillionaire tax dodgers?

tarasmalatarocks · 30/11/2021 15:10

@LancashireExPat. I don’t think that’s true though , the problem is all the money (and vast amounts of it) went solely to Manchester and Liverpool, so it was all very centred , rather than spread around— there are areas of Bristol and Swindon or Southampton that are worse than anything I’ve seen in Manchester or Liverpool .

Otherpeoplesteens · 30/11/2021 15:13

Hull has nice parts though!

A lot of people have leapt to the defence of various northern crap towns and cities with "but there are nice parts in". I think anyone would recognise that almost any town in not a homogenous lump, and that it will have nice parts and not-so-nice parts.

The problem is, that if you feel trapped in the rough end of town, that's eventually all you see. You lose sight of the nice bits and the nice things and the misery just overwhelms you relentlessly. In the end, it's not the one murder of the year in the park which turns you. It's stepping in dogshit in the kids' playground for the third time this week, and it's only Tuesday afternoon.

When you're knee deep in it, the clean end of the turd still looks shitty.

PotatoPie888 · 30/11/2021 15:14

@Otherpeoplesteens Stereotypes are almost always unfair and dangerous though.

LivinginWFHlimbo · 30/11/2021 15:15

[quote PotatoPie888]@HardbackWriter tell me how those people are worse than multimillionaire tax dodgers?[/quote]
Who said they were?

KhaleesiOfChaos · 30/11/2021 15:16

@OnenessWithAllStrife If you're lucky to move at any time, why don't you just get on with it?!

I don't see the point of this thread - you don't want advice, won't tell us where this hellhole is and are saying you can leave if you want. Ok...so go!!

Otherpeoplesteens · 30/11/2021 15:16

And logically we all know that @PotatoPie888 but when you get ground down year after year after year, around about the same time you lose hope, you lose sight of that.

Pipsquiggle · 30/11/2021 15:17

@LancashireExPat

When I worked in Wigan I went with a colleague to a conference in London, which necessitated a couple of nights in a hotel, eating out in restaurants, etc. She could not believe that it was the same country. If you have never travelled further than Manchester, the immediate differences you see in nicer, richer places is palpable. It is like the difference between East and West Germany 30 years ago.

I left the NW to live in the Home Counties, and absolutely it's a different place. I didn't realise how much though until I moved back.

I think everyone in the NW who hasn't already done so needs to move for 6 months, see the money that was spent on already nice places to make them even nicer, then get really angry about how much the NW is left behind.

This. Absolutely THIS.

The inequality in this country is astounding. I too am in the Home Counties and the first world problems we have down here are nothing compared to whole swathes of the North.

I wish people from the north and the south would get angry about regional inequality

x2boys · 30/11/2021 15:18

[quote KhaleesiOfChaos]@OnenessWithAllStrife If you're lucky to move at any time, why don't you just get on with it?!

I don't see the point of this thread - you don't want advice, won't tell us where this hellhole is and are saying you can leave if you want. Ok...so go!![/quote]
The op has said that's it's Wigan ,it's been said lots of times now