To ask you to see who girl guides support.

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A woman sacked for speaking up for girls safety was replaced by this person.

Girl guides are not safe for girls. AIBU?

“Being mean to Monica” “being mean to girls with penises.”

NO.

This is about safeguarding our girls and young women and people are more worried about validating men’s little feelings and not being mean.

It’s disgraceful

Female socialisation to "be kind" is a hell of a drug.

I am aware of this individual. I do not know a lot about their private life but I do know that they were heavily involved in scouting at a senior level before they transitioned. As such, I think it would be surprising if they were not aware of the safeguarding expectations for someone in their role. I suspect that they believe that their status as a transwoman means that such rules do not need to be followed by them because any criticism can be dismissed easily as transphobia either that or they are incredibly naïve about social media.

My daughter loves rainbows but unless something comes of this I'm pulling the plug. This has sickened me to my core.

I'm so fed up of female only spaces being diminished by penis-havers and then being called a terf for wanting female only spaces. They are clearly needed.

I remember reading so many comments on here/online elsewhere of people saying how transwomen ARE women and are no more of a risk to women when it comes to female only toilets et after the big JK Rowling uproar. Anyone who disagreed was just called transphobic.

Whoever calls these stupid shots needs to resign. Girlguides needs restructuring back to a point of sanity before all this virtue signalling and wokeness began and took over safeguarding our precious children which should be at the heart of the organisation.

People can like whatever the frig they like in private. Looking at this person's photos and knowing they are a guides leader just makes me feel sick to my stomach.

Why isn't this bigger news?

Why isn't this bigger news?

Because transphobia. Because be kind. Because TWAW.

Sounds facetious…it really isn’t. The breadth and depth of institutional capture by an ideology which insists on affirmation, acceptance without exception, no debate and “I am what I say I am” and if you don’t agree men can identify as (and therefore be treated exactly the same in all respects as) women you are TRANSPHOBIC and worthy of threats and doxxing to shut you up is breathtaking. This is just one example. Some of the mainstream press has been well and truly captured; if the Guardian ever reported on this I’d need medical attention for shock because they are full-on TWAW. The BBC is slowly, gradually throwing off the Stonewall shackles but they have been in thrall to this ideology for many years until recently so you would never see a story painting a transperson in even a slightly negative light. At the moment it is predominantly the more right-wing press which seem to know what a woman is - the Mail, Telegraph and particularly the Times (which has done sterling work trying to draw attention to some of the more problematic elements of this belief system) are the only MSM likely to report on a story like this.

I will never not be amazed by the amount of people but especially women who will accept a man is a woman because he says he is. You have to hand it to stonewall- it’s some next level marketing & selling strategy

The trustees of girl guides are not at all stupid ppl but they have completely bought into the beeee kiiiiinnd/ ‘the most vulnerable ever’ narrative

….I would like to know why the Times & the Telegraph haven’t covered this…!? I know the BBC would back away, but then these days it’s always missing lots of stories.

Silencing unit leaders of many, many years service (ie Katie Alcock and Helen Watts) around the key safety issue, the departure of many more leaders, plus the ongoing concerns of some of the rest should be raising alarm bells in what is an age-old institution that millions of girls around the world have enjoyed and benefited from.

The PP who suggested that it’s time for a dismantling of the old structure which has gone massively awry and a brand new movement which is for the benefit of GIRLS is probably onto something.

The whole keeping quiet about what is going on in GG is probably a much bigger story than one individual parading their fetish on social media. The institutional capture of these organisations is astonishing & widespread.

The PP who suggested that it’s time for a dismantling of the old structure which has gone massively awry and a brand new movement which is for the benefit of GIRLS is probably onto something

On another thread, an ex GG leader is trying to set up an all female led group for girls and lo and behold, the local hall won't let them hold an all female led group for girls.

Everywhere is captured.

Teflon trans, a women with the same responsibility would not get away with this.

@Shedmistress

The PP who suggested that it’s time for a dismantling of the old structure which has gone massively awry and a brand new movement which is for the benefit of GIRLS is probably onto something

On another thread, an ex GG leader is trying to set up an all female led group for girls and lo and behold, the local hall won't let them hold an all female led group for girls.

Everywhere is captured.

What? Could you link, please? Thank you.

domestic violence gone wrong

What the f* is that? It implies that domestic violence can be 'right'. And the person who said this helped GGUK write its policies?

On another thread, an ex GG leader is trying to set up an all female led group for girls and lo and behold, the local hall won't let them hold an all female led group for girls.

Everywhere is captured.

Yep, this would not surprise me in the slightest. I’m seeing this script played out over and over again.

“Let us into your single-sex spaces.”

“But then it wouldn’t be single-sex.”

“It’s transphobic not to let us in. We’re women.”

“Okay, but there might be some women uncomfortable with it - sexual abuse survivors, lesbians, women of some faiths/cultures etc.”

“Then they can set up their own female spaces. Let us in to this one. Be kind.”

“Okay. TWAW after all.”

“Hello, we’d like to set up a group just for women, you know natal women. May we use your space / social media platform please?”

“You can’t do that, it’s transphobic! Begone, T*RFS!”

What? Could you link, please? Thank you

It's in the safeguarding GG thread. 16:55 ish yesterday.

@Eleganz

I am aware of this individual. I do not know a lot about their private life but I do know that they were heavily involved in scouting at a senior level before they transitioned. As such, I think it would be surprising if they were not aware of the safeguarding expectations for someone in their role. I suspect that they believe that their status as a transwoman means that such rules do not need to be followed by them because any criticism can be dismissed easily as transphobia either that or they are incredibly naïve about social media.

One wonders why he felt the need to change to GG given that scouting is a mixed sex organisation. Well we know don't we. For validation at best.

@Insidelaurashead

My best friend had a baby at 13. Most of my friends were having sex at that age. I wish guides had given out condoms

Most of your friends were having sex at 13? Really? I'm actually very surprised by that. Most of mine hadn't even had a proper kiss at that age!

@DaphneDeloresMoorhead That's a good point. Scouting is open to both genders and has lots of women involved at various levels (like me). I have no idea what the policy is re trans issues but I'd be highly surprised if they couldn't have continued as 'she', assuming there were no other concerns.

Tangent but for me personally - and I'm sure this would be considered 'transphobic' - I would feel differently about someone who has gone through a full transitioning process (surgery etc) with appropriate counselling & support over several years. I fully grasp that some people spend their whole lives feeling deeply at odds with their birth gender and are willing to make massive sustained sacrifices to live as women. But I struggle with stuff that just feels like thoughtless insensitive cosplay.

Tangent but for me personally - and I'm sure this would be considered 'transphobic' - I would feel differently about someone who has gone through a full transitioning process (surgery etc) with appropriate counselling & support over several years. I fully grasp that some people spend their whole lives feeling deeply at odds with their birth gender and are willing to make massive sustained sacrifices to live as women. But I struggle with stuff that just feels like thoughtless insensitive cosplay

Yes that would be considered transphobic, I'm not sure how long you've been aware of the issues and not wanting to teach granny to suck eggs and all so this is for lurkers.

The "full transitioning process" is very expensive, difficult, not often an option because medical and other reasons. So the best and most optimistic estimate I ever heard was 20% have had major surgery, not necessarily all the surgery.
The acronym we are not allowed to use means plenty get excitement out of keeping certain genitalia whilst enhancing other aspects so they definitely do not get full transitioning surgery.

@Terfydactyl - crumbs!

So… where ARE we permitted to talk about this then?

This may well be deleted (despite being factual) but for those who don’t yet know: references to The Acronym That Dare Not Speak Its Name are ruthlessly stamped on and reported by the external monitors who circle FWR like sharks sniffing for blood, because the more widely-known it becomes that a proportion of this “most oppressed” demographic are not in seeking support, counselling or surgery for genuine dysphoria but are in fact aroused by images of themselves dressed as/acting as women and get off on violating women’s boundaries, the less sympathy their movement will elicit and the less likely it is the doors to female spaces will be thrown open to anyone claiming to be a woman.

80-85% of TW retain their penis. Of these, a proportion retain their penis but do get breast implants. Often when they refer to “sex reassignment surgery” or similar that’s what is meant. It suits the more unpleasant TRA contingent to leave people assuming, not unreasonably, that SRS means removal of the penis to treat dysphoria.

So in raising genuine (not to mention rather obvious) concerns … women are being silenced. Just like the Guide leaders.

I believe it is 90-95% of transitioned males retain their penises.

@ShinyHappyPoster

I feel sad about this. Yy Girlguiding deserve all the negative publicity and hopefully this will create more pressure on them to reconsider. But I also feel this has been deliberate targeting by TRAs and MRAs. Girlguiding was brilliant at saying no to male members. They were amazing at carving out a space for girls and empowering them to enforce their boundaries. And then somewhere funding requirements and aggressive lobbying blew all that away. They threw away everything they stood for and let's be honest TRAs and MRAs don't give a shit about the principles of Girlguiding. They just didn't want an area where women and girls were supported to have boundaries. They wanted to stamp all over women's and girls' rights to say 'no'. It's a disgrace.

Agree with every word of this. Women are not allowed to have any boundaries.

So, 5-10 % remove penises... how many is that? Versus how many keep them? How big is this group of people?

Is there a key for the abbreviations? I’m getting lost… sorry if I’m missing something obvious.

Women are allowed no boundaries, no ability to voice concerns - even on a mums’ forum?

I have seen a lot of upset over these types of threads but never really considered what it actually means for women and girls and the huge impact on daily lives before this thread.

@brighousepres glad it made you realise the every day reality this means for women and girls.

I hope there’s a few that have peaked with this thread. That’s the point of it being in AIBU. Because any safeguarding concern should be discussed where the most parents will see it.