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StarryNightSparkles · 23/11/2021 22:29

Just had a little look on Twitter and seen Stella Creasy is having a rant as she can't take her 3m old into work with her.

This has pissed me right off. How many parents in the UK have child care problems.

Her argument is based on Mat leave which to me is a completely different fight.

Am I being unreasonable to be pissed off by this?

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Am I being unreasonable?

AIBU

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mellongoose · 24/11/2021 06:09

There are ways around this and SC is not the first MP to have a baby, believe it or not.

She can be slipped/paired or get a proxy for voting, therefore she does not have to physically be in Westminster to vote. This already happens.

She has a point about sitting on select committees and speaking in the chamber. But, as I say, plenty of MPs already take time away from these duties because they have had a baby, or they are ill etc.

Finally, her constituency office can run without her for a period of time if she has a good team. Ministers have to rely on this as time in their constituencies is very limited.

All of these things are already in place. It's far from ideal but totally manageable with support from the people around.

MPs are not employees, they are elected representatives and therefore it is vital that the representation bit isn't lost whilst a new mum is (rightly) concentrating on her new born.

BTW try being an MP whose constituency is 300 miles away from Westminster (SC is London) and you have small or school aged children. There are lots of female MPs making difficult choices to ensure that they can provide good representation to their constituents.

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rrhuth · 24/11/2021 06:16

@StarryNightSparkles

Thanks Both and I definitely agree as times need to change. I think for me personally it's the way she has worded it to he all about her.

For example I worked as a NHS nurse on the bank due to the NHS not fitting with child care. On the bank I got no mat leave entitlement.

Stella's issue isn't just a Parliament thing or something unique to her situation.

It's 2021 and child care in the UK is still shocking. Which I find incredibly sad.

You need to get the chip off your shoulder and revognise MPs like Creasy who are constantly trying to change things for the better for women are on your side.

Her problem is unlike every other job, she can't get mat leave. And can't take her baby in either.

She doesn't want to leave Walthamstow unrepresented. She gets death threats every week and still wants to do her job.

You'd moan if she just took the money and didn't show up presumably. Or maybe you prefer the idea of no young women MPs?

Biscuit for you.
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rrhuth · 24/11/2021 06:24

@WinoAnon

I quite like Stella Creasy. She always come across well and gets her point across, but I feel like I only hear her speak up when it's a topic that directly affects her. That might be a bit unfair of me, perhaps I just don't follow politics enough.

She raises a valid point on the difficulties for female mps and the need for change to benefit us all.

Yes, it is unfair!
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madisonbridges · 24/11/2021 06:36

She's got 6 months maternity leave. Can't her partner take the other 6 months? And she's being given £35 000 to work out cover for 7 months. I don't see a problem with that.

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Jujujuly · 24/11/2021 06:37

@WinoAnon

I quite like Stella Creasy. She always come across well and gets her point across, but I feel like I only hear her speak up when it's a topic that directly affects her. That might be a bit unfair of me, perhaps I just don't follow politics enough.

She raises a valid point on the difficulties for female mps and the need for change to benefit us all.

She led a massive campaign against payday loans which was a big problem in her constituency, and almost singlehandedly managed to get the law on abortion changed in NI, neither of which “directly affects her”, unless you count the fact that the former was a big issue for her constituents and the latter because she’s a woman.

It’s so disappointing seeing women argue that they didn’t get mat leave so why should she, or she’s an MP what did she expect. Everyone should be entitled to maternity leave and if our elected representatives don’t have it then how will we ever manage to escape the absolute shitshow scenario we’re all living in where the country is run by corrupt old etonians who don’t give a shit about women or ordinary people at all.
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Porridgeislife · 24/11/2021 06:38

There are lots of female MPs making difficult choices to ensure that they can provide good representation to their constituents.

But why does it only have to be the female MPs making difficult choices?

We have seen during Covid that all male committees have made various decisions affecting women, to their detriment (eg the refusal to endorse vaccines for pregnant women until far too late).

Good decision making incorporates diversity of opinion & by accepting that the current status quo is harder for women, without changing it, we’ll continue to have 50yo white privately educated men with stay at home wives making all of our decisions.

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madisonbridges · 24/11/2021 06:40

6 months maternity leave is quite a lot and her partner can do the other 6 months. That's equality.

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madisonbridges · 24/11/2021 06:45

we’ll continue to have 50yo white privately educated men with stay at home wives making all of our decisions

Wait a minute, top 4 politicians are: an Asian man, an Asian woman, a white woman and a white man. And only one of those is in their 50s.

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Porridgeislife · 24/11/2021 06:51

Wait a minute, top 4 politicians are: an Asian man, an Asian woman, a white woman and a white man. And only one of those is in their 50s.

Yes, that completely represents the diversity of the Tory party.

76% male
24% female
6% BAME

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Sirzy · 24/11/2021 06:55

There is a nursery onsite in Parliament which takes babies from 3 months old.

She has only been told that the baby can’t go into the chamber itself (and I think some of the comitees) and provision is in place on site for babies.

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EIIa · 24/11/2021 06:57

You can’t possibly have babies in Houses of Parliament. What’s next, a judge rocking her baby while she sends somebody down? A surgeon operating with a child in her sling? A teacher with a Moses basket under her desk!?

Sometimes you need to respect the importance of your work place surely and the fact that it’s no place for a baby anyway! She has access to a nanny or Mat Leave! Poor child!

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anon12345678901 · 24/11/2021 06:58

@Sirzy

There is a nursery onsite in Parliament which takes babies from 3 months old.

She has only been told that the baby can’t go into the chamber itself (and I think some of the comitees) and provision is in place on site for babies.

Well that's completely fair enough. Why does she think she shouldn't put the baby in the nursery?
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madisonbridges · 24/11/2021 07:00

Yes, that completely represents the diversity of the Tory party.
And they rise quickly to the top and are not kept on the back benches. Unlike in other parties...

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Porridgeislife · 24/11/2021 07:10

And they rise quickly to the top and are not kept on the back benches. Unlike in other parties...

Not really. The current cabinet is as diverse the elected party (as long as you ignore affluence), but May and Cameron had very male and white cabinets, so it’s an extremely new phenomenon.

Plus, let’s be honest - and I say this as a natural Tory voter - the current cabinet is a bit shit.

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madisonbridges · 24/11/2021 07:19

I'm not a natural Conservative voter and I didn't comment on the ability because I'm looking at two cabinets that look shit to me. But one's top 4 look all white, and the other's top 4 doesn't. Both parties seem to have been all white in the past so well done to the present govt for making a change. No?

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Porridgeislife · 24/11/2021 07:43

Given their only option is to fill the cabinet with ardent Brexiteers, I’m not sure that’s a ringing endorsement of their commitment to diversity Hmm

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Aroundtheworldin80moves · 24/11/2021 07:44

I thought the objection was that she, and other MPs, had been taking their young babies in for several years now without complaint, now she's been told she can't?

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DGRossetti · 24/11/2021 07:51

But how can an elected individual take maternity leave? Their constituents cannot be left unrepresented for up to a year and an unelected individual cannot be put in their place for a similar period because that is simply not democratic.

It's quaint some people still believe you need to be elected to get into government.

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Felldownabackdonhole · 24/11/2021 07:56

This is unfair as she has not been able to have maternity leave this time and the votes are often late at night in times when you can’t get childcare.

I do like Stella Creasy but I would agree that she should be allowed to bring her baby in even if I didn’t like her.

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DeepaBeesKit · 24/11/2021 08:00

Yabu. MPs aren't irreplaceable (no one is), they predominantly represent political parties with wide membership, maternity leave should be possible.

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Sirzy · 24/11/2021 08:00

The on-site nursery has evening sessions which includes until 10.30pm some nights. Something that many people working evenings could only dream of!

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madisonbridges · 24/11/2021 08:01

@Porridgeislife

Given their only option is to fill the cabinet with ardent Brexiteers, I’m not sure that’s a ringing endorsement of their commitment to diversity Hmm

So when they had no poc in, you're not happy.
And when they do have poc in, you're not happy.
Sometimes it must seem to politicians that they just can't win.
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madisonbridges · 24/11/2021 08:07

@Felldownabackdonhole

This is unfair as she has not been able to have maternity leave this time and the votes are often late at night in times when you can’t get childcare.

I do like Stella Creasy but I would agree that she should be allowed to bring her baby in even if I didn’t like her.

She can have 6 months maternity leave. She gets 35,000 to pay for cover while she's off. Her partner can take the other 6 months of maternity/paternity leave. And she has a nursery in the HoP which runs into the evening sessions of ₩on- Thurs, up to 10.30 on one night. I don't think it's that outrageous, is it?
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anon12345678901 · 24/11/2021 08:14

@madisonbridges I think it's very generous and cheeky to expect more!

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girlmom21 · 24/11/2021 08:35

Stella's issue isn't just a Parliament thing or something unique to her situation.

But surely an MP raising something in Parliament is better than it not being raised at all - no matter how it's raised?

You didn't have the platform that she has. Hopefully it'll help make a difference.

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