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My son's narcissist friend, potentially, but I smell a rat

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hashhhvi · 22/11/2021 02:32

So much information, I don't know where to begin…
I am starting to suspect that my son's extreme behaviour, distress and growing depression recently is somehow linked to his newish friend.
My son is 17, friend 19. They have connected about a year ago over music making. My son has great talent in mixing and producing, and to my surprise, also rapping and performing. The friend, who I don't know very well, seems to have develop some dependency around my sons skills and 'signed him up' to some group and push him to perform for money. I don’t think my son see any money.
Recent events were extreme. My son runs away, smoke lots of cannabis, skip school, go out every single day till the middle of the night, often not coming home at all. Last time he was missing for 72 hrs. No idea where money for food comes from. He is angry. Simply distress, completely off the rails. And we are too. Distressed and upset to see our son suffering.
The friend, who we have his number, seems to always know where my son is and be in touch with him on a reg basis. Sometime my son stay the night there. He goes there after school. This friend seems to have a lot of patience and food in the fridge for my son…
We called the friend and said we are worried about our son and can he help to send him back home since he seems to have some influence on him.
Next think, we checked our sons Instagram (we have his computer and the account was left open). We see the conversation between the friend and my son and listened to his repeated intense voice messages urging my son to stop running away and stop “destroying” their business. He sounds so patronising, demanding, controlling and putting so much pressure. “Listen to me..” “I’m gonna cut you out..” “I’m not going to let you destroy what I am building”… telling him your parents are chasing me… you only do that, not allowed to do this, you go out only on these days, you smoke weed only on that day… blah blah blah.. maybe 10 messages were he just shouts at him and is barking orders.
That smell bad to me. My son is going through terrible times and even if this friend’s intentions are good, the attitude, voice and words he was using didn’t seem sympathetic at all. It felt as if he is more worried about himself and the "business" than my son's mental health or well being.
He wants my son to go to Bristol (we live in London) in the middle of the week to perform in some Night club at 1 am or so while he has collage the next day! And that has already happened once before, and we were sort of shock he is doing it but could not stop him. Don’t you need an ID to get into night clubs at this time of the day? (My son was 16 when it happened..
As my son’s behaviour deteriorate I’m trying to figure out what is going so wrong here and the links leads to this friend. I also learned from Instagram that the friend has lend him some money and probably getting him drugs and my son owes him £180.. (he knows very well he doesn’t work and any money he has comes from us, and probably from these shows.. now, we stopped the money a while ago when we realised it flys on drugs!)
I am scared how damaging this friendship potentially is. How can I tell if this guy is a narcissist and using my son? And more critically, what do I do to stop it,
and to open my sons eyes to this abusive relationship.
I would be so grateful for any thoughts or leads to help me make sense of this. Thank you for reading.

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TrampolineForMrKite · 22/11/2021 08:03

This is really hard @hashhhvi. As PP said I would be worried about county lines, but also could they be in a relationship and this is also abusive boyfriend drama? All sounds a bit intense for a friend.

I would contact a drug helpline to start with; you tackle that you might start getting somewhere. Good luck.

Pottedpalm · 22/11/2021 08:10

People often respond with ‘tell the school’. Lord knows, schools have enough to do with educating pupils once they are in school. Problems like this are complex a d time consuming to deal with and schools don’t have the staff.
I would advise going to the police with your concerns and then inform the school that tou have done so.

EducatingArti · 22/11/2021 08:18

Schools have staff trained in safeguarding and will help with this.

PinkMochi · 22/11/2021 08:21

He’s still at college, which means you can speak to the safeguarding/pastoral team there. They’ve had specialised training and know how to guide you and your ds.

I also think he’s involved in drugs. If he was performing in gigs then he would be promoting his gigs and posting videos and pics of him performing on his social media.

Ubiquery · 22/11/2021 08:32

I wonder when OP is going to respond to the theory of it being drug-related.

AnFiadhRua · 22/11/2021 08:32

I agree that it's pointless to diagnose him.

If your son will listen to you even briefly I suppose you could ask him if his goals have changed, what is his agenda, is he's on course with that, or falling off course to suit his friend?

make him bring his thoughts back to himself.

hashhhvi · 22/11/2021 08:41

I am going through his instagram. So much bullshit is frightening. I don't think it's county lines. My husband check his movements in his travel card and he does not really leave London, mostly hangs out between his collage and not far from home. His friend lives for the raid and I have taken him there and back to his place numerous times before. However, there is no doubt drugs are the issue, and he deals cannabis somehow.
He does also work in his music.
If it's not county lines, if I call the police, will it cause lots of issues? I can make it more complicated to my son. I don't know! Does the police keep reporters anonymous?

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FreyaHazel · 22/11/2021 08:42

As others have said, many MANY red flags here for county lines. PLEASE call the police this morning and take their advice - consequences could be dire if this is not solved ASAP.

hashhhvi · 22/11/2021 08:42

Sorry.. meant to say.. his friend lives down the Rd..

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hashhhvi · 22/11/2021 08:46

Sorry I am really not drying to hide in denial.. if he is not leaving London, how is it county lines?
There is evidence of his performances, they are making posters etc and exchange bits. Not my taste at all, and not places I would probably choose to hang out at, but nevertheless there is definitely a music thing going on...
but also clear evil of smoking lots of week and sharing it/selling on. I imagine 'Pack' can be cannabis also, not just hard drugs?

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JorisBonson · 22/11/2021 08:48

He's likely got a second oyster card.

PinkMochi · 22/11/2021 08:52

@hashhhvi he could be dealing drugs in London. No need to leave the city. You need to raise your concerns with his school’s safeguarding/pastoral team. They can offer you and your Ds advice.

hashhhvi · 22/11/2021 08:54

Thank you

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LakieLady · 22/11/2021 08:57

I don't think it's county lines. My husband check his movements in his travel card and he does not really leave London, mostly hangs out between his collage and not far from home.

That doesn't rule it out, I'm afraid.

Kids were being driven down from London with drugs and dropped off in south coast towns a couple of years ago.

Muttly · 22/11/2021 09:01

OP this has all of the red flags for county lines.

Do you have any family in another part of the country or even better in another country?

I would try to get your songs physically out of this situation number 1 and then psychologically out of the situation number 2.

ImStayingInside · 22/11/2021 09:03

@Pottedpalm you’re mistaken. Schools have staff specially trained to provide support and signpost to the right agency if safeguarding issues are suspected. School staff are very busy (always!) but part of working in a school goes beyond education and also includes keeping students safe both in school and out of it.
Not many parents would want to go right to the police, so school could be a good first step as they will know who to contact in order for it to be dealt with correctly.

adoptanewpointofview · 22/11/2021 09:12

This is really terrifying. To the people who know about county lines, can you physically remove your dc from the situation by taking them for an extended stay in Scotland without any means of communication with the outside world?

Sorry OP, doesn't help you, but I would take the advice here to be talking to the school and police for advice.

Budapestdreams · 22/11/2021 09:14

Gosh OP, this is a lot for you to take in. I agree with pp, you sound worried about reporting this to the police so speaking to college today sounds like a good idea. They will have had training in this and will have come across it before. Best of luck 💐

adoptanewpointofview · 22/11/2021 09:14

Ah @muttly answered my question. Yes, this would be my instinct. Do you have experience of this? Are there drawbacks when you return, ie backlash from the ring leaders?

Beckert · 22/11/2021 09:18

Kids were being driven down from London with drugs and dropped off in south coast towns a couple of years ago.

This. It doesn't rule out country lines. And they are quite expert in deceiving people.

Skeumorph · 22/11/2021 09:27

He wouldn't be using his travel card!

daisypond · 22/11/2021 09:32

You are very naive about the travel card. He will likely have another one, or someone will drive him elsewhere.

hashhhvi · 22/11/2021 09:36

@Muttly

OP this has all of the red flags for county lines.

Do you have any family in another part of the country or even better in another country?

I would try to get your songs physically out of this situation number 1 and then psychologically out of the situation number 2.

I do. And I thought about it. Get him on the first airplane. Though, I'm worried that will damage him more and our relationship.. I don't know
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80Dodgeballs · 22/11/2021 09:39

My first thought was County Lines.

hashhhvi · 22/11/2021 09:43

Just to add to the above, he needs therapy and need help. He can't get that in the other country

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