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My son's narcissist friend, potentially, but I smell a rat

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hashhhvi · 22/11/2021 02:32

So much information, I don't know where to begin…
I am starting to suspect that my son's extreme behaviour, distress and growing depression recently is somehow linked to his newish friend.
My son is 17, friend 19. They have connected about a year ago over music making. My son has great talent in mixing and producing, and to my surprise, also rapping and performing. The friend, who I don't know very well, seems to have develop some dependency around my sons skills and 'signed him up' to some group and push him to perform for money. I don’t think my son see any money.
Recent events were extreme. My son runs away, smoke lots of cannabis, skip school, go out every single day till the middle of the night, often not coming home at all. Last time he was missing for 72 hrs. No idea where money for food comes from. He is angry. Simply distress, completely off the rails. And we are too. Distressed and upset to see our son suffering.
The friend, who we have his number, seems to always know where my son is and be in touch with him on a reg basis. Sometime my son stay the night there. He goes there after school. This friend seems to have a lot of patience and food in the fridge for my son…
We called the friend and said we are worried about our son and can he help to send him back home since he seems to have some influence on him.
Next think, we checked our sons Instagram (we have his computer and the account was left open). We see the conversation between the friend and my son and listened to his repeated intense voice messages urging my son to stop running away and stop “destroying” their business. He sounds so patronising, demanding, controlling and putting so much pressure. “Listen to me..” “I’m gonna cut you out..” “I’m not going to let you destroy what I am building”… telling him your parents are chasing me… you only do that, not allowed to do this, you go out only on these days, you smoke weed only on that day… blah blah blah.. maybe 10 messages were he just shouts at him and is barking orders.
That smell bad to me. My son is going through terrible times and even if this friend’s intentions are good, the attitude, voice and words he was using didn’t seem sympathetic at all. It felt as if he is more worried about himself and the "business" than my son's mental health or well being.
He wants my son to go to Bristol (we live in London) in the middle of the week to perform in some Night club at 1 am or so while he has collage the next day! And that has already happened once before, and we were sort of shock he is doing it but could not stop him. Don’t you need an ID to get into night clubs at this time of the day? (My son was 16 when it happened..
As my son’s behaviour deteriorate I’m trying to figure out what is going so wrong here and the links leads to this friend. I also learned from Instagram that the friend has lend him some money and probably getting him drugs and my son owes him £180.. (he knows very well he doesn’t work and any money he has comes from us, and probably from these shows.. now, we stopped the money a while ago when we realised it flys on drugs!)
I am scared how damaging this friendship potentially is. How can I tell if this guy is a narcissist and using my son? And more critically, what do I do to stop it,
and to open my sons eyes to this abusive relationship.
I would be so grateful for any thoughts or leads to help me make sense of this. Thank you for reading.

OP posts:
hashhhvi · 22/11/2021 09:44

It will remove him from the situation, but only temporarily. Without professional help he will just go back in as soon as he is back. Keeping him there for months on end not possible.

OP posts:
Mummyoflittledragon · 22/11/2021 09:45

Slang for drugs.

www.my420tours.com/slang-for-weed/

stonerdays.com/pack/

Pack commonly used to mean either a) 5 pounds in weight plus or b) 1 pound.

My son's narcissist friend, potentially, but I smell a rat
My son's narcissist friend, potentially, but I smell a rat
Ubiquery · 22/11/2021 09:48

My first thought was County Lines. Right? I think it was everyone's. Nearly everyone's.

Rocketpants50 · 22/11/2021 09:49

From what you have written there are lots of signs here that would alert me to county lines.

Watch this video
www.gwent.pcc.police.uk/en/news-room/county-lines-spot-the-signs/
Please speak to someone. If you are right and its not county lines then so be it, you have ruled it out. No one wants their child to be involved, and remember your child is being controlled, they could be scared and probably donr want to admit it themselves, please help your son and seek expert advice.

Pawprintpaper · 22/11/2021 09:55

Go to the police.

I heard a story about a child who was shipped to relatives in another country, the gang somehow got them a replacement/fake passport and flew him back.

Almostmenopausal · 22/11/2021 10:09

County lines is the very first thing I thought of. OP PLEEEEEASE report this to police but most importantly make sure you say that you 'suspect County Lines' otherwise the operator may fob you off with the "No crime committed that you know of" nonsense. PLEASE report and mention county lines

Yuledo · 22/11/2021 10:14

Perhaps he might open up more to a favourite relative, friend or teacher? Who do you think might get through to him best? Parents aren’t always the best person.

hoodathunkit · 22/11/2021 10:15

OP

There are multiple alarm bells ringing here

Firstly, the county lines issue is very closely linked to music production in some instances

I have a friend, a vulnerable young adult, who was groomed and exploited by a rapper and music producer.

Just because someone is a rapper or music producer it does not, of course, mean that they are involved in county lines.

However the 2 things are not mutually exclusive and often provide overlapping revenue streams for some criminals.

The debt you mentioned is another red flag. Getting kids into debt is part of the grooming process. It usually happens by giving kids drugs to sell but then sending another kid to rob the drugs from them. It's a win win for the puppet masters, they get their drugs, get more money and the kid is bonded to them via fear and money. The debt may arise in some other way, whatever the messages you describe ordering your son around are standard practice. This also happened to my friend, who is now in a much better place.

As yous son is involved in making music videos (appearing in them yes?) this could put him at extreme risk. Some kids have been attacked with knives simpy because they appeared in the wrong music video at the wrong time.

Some good news. Your son is a minor and would likely be treated by the police as a victim of modern slavery, as would a vulnerable adult in the same situation. The nearer it gets to his 18th birthday the more dangerous and unprotected your son will be. You need to act urgently to protect him.

link
www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/node/36406

You need to report this to the police as of yesterday.

If you search for "county lines" on youtube you will find various news and educational videos

You might also search for "drill" + "stabbings" / "crime" "county lines"

You might find this slang glossary insightful

www.reddit.com/r/ukdrill/comments/8wrbzj/uk_drill_slang_cheat_sheet/

Flowers
Almostmenopausal · 22/11/2021 10:17

@hashhhvi If you go to Police, your son will NOT get into trouble!! He is the victim in county lines

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 22/11/2021 10:24

[quote Almostmenopausal]**@hashhhvi* If you go to Police, your son will NOT* get into trouble!! He is the victim in county lines [/quote]
This.

Also just because he isn't using his Oyster Card doesn't mean that there isn't another one or someone is driving him.

You really need to speak to the police

Muttly · 22/11/2021 10:27

The nearer it gets to his 18th birthday the more dangerous and unprotected your son will be. You need to act urgently to protect him.

^ this is huge in this.

Pottedpalm · 22/11/2021 10:48

[quote ImStayingInside]@Pottedpalm you’re mistaken. Schools have staff specially trained to provide support and signpost to the right agency if safeguarding issues are suspected. School staff are very busy (always!) but part of working in a school goes beyond education and also includes keeping students safe both in school and out of it.
Not many parents would want to go right to the police, so school could be a good first step as they will know who to contact in order for it to be dealt with correctly.[/quote]
I’m a teacher and see the stress that pastoral staff are under on a daily basis. Staff ate trained in safeguarding and could suggest which agencies to contact, but given the scenario, I think that would be the police.

Mamamia344 · 22/11/2021 11:11

It does sound like he's in a very dark place. Have you spoken to him about getting away for a bit? Maybe he could stay with relatives abroad. Could you suggest he takes a break to work on music and offer some help with a piece of new equipment or a course at a different college.

I was a drug user at his age and got myself into quite a lot of trouble at school and with the police. My parents were together and we looked liked a normal family from the outside but life was totally miserable, they were arguing a lot, working hard and had zero time for me or my brother and no interest in anything that was going on in our lives. I genuinely felt unloved and scared about life. I was being bullied quite badly at school, including death threats etc and I tried to speak to them about it but they weren't interested. I was told to just get on with it.
The big change came about when we moved and I started college in a different city. I eventually got a job and found some supportive work colleagues and life improved.

crochetmonkey74 · 22/11/2021 11:13

Another teacher in safeguarding here- reporting to us would just mean we did a police referral (ringing the same number you would ring and reporting what you had said)- the police would then put you in touch with all the other support system. OP- your son is the victim- you are reporting a crime done to him, not him as the offender

ElvisPresleyHadABaby · 22/11/2021 11:44

POLICE. He is likely a victim of grooming for county lines.

Mamamia344 · 22/11/2021 18:32

@hashhhvi

It will remove him from the situation, but only temporarily. Without professional help he will just go back in as soon as he is back. Keeping him there for months on end not possible.
Sounds like you're resigned to not removing him from the situation.
Mummyoflittledragon · 23/11/2021 09:32

Have you contacted the school and police yet @hashhhvi?

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