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AIBU to end my relationship with my fiance over his exs behaviour woth DSD?

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NatureWalk · 19/11/2021 00:53

This could be a long one sorry!
Background: I live with Fiancé (F) my 3 children from a previous relationship (8,5&4) and dsd is 50/50 between us and her mum (A) and strpdad(B). A & B also have a 2 yo together (C).

A is self diagnosed with several MH issues but doesn't receive help amd has no formal diagnosis. Some background on As parenting. Dsd has breathing issues, in the winter a cold goes straight to her chest and she's been in and out of hospital because her oxygen levels drop really low and she needs oxygen. A has only once been to hospital with dsd it used to be just F and then me and F after we met. Once A refused to ring an ambulance and we had to drive over and ring an ambulance for dsd and she was rushed into hospital. Drs said at that point dsd was close to having to be ventilated her breathing was so bad.
A also never bothered to potty train dsd, we did that and every time dsd came back from A she'd be in a nappy again. A treats dsd like a baby, she dresses her, puts her shoes on, tidys her room, only stoped feeding her baby food jars when she was 3 and we insisted she stopped (which was a huge row). Dsd comes back from A talking like a baby (pointing at things and going uh uh rather than using words). Dsd has epic tantrums when she comes back from A, if she's asked to dress herself, tidy her room, eat her tea etc she'll scream that mummy never makes her and we are horrible to her, she'll even lie on the floor and kick her legs yelling I'm a baby I can't do it. The worst ones are when she says she'll never be loved or happy again. School have picked up on these (they happen daily at school too) we got called into a meeting which A refused to attend with us and went at a later date. School is eriously concerned and actually had a teacher who specialises in child psychology sit in and observe dsd. We are still waiting for the report back about that.

F and I live across a county border from A, dsd was registered with a Dr near us. Its a great Dr they really go above and beyond. Dsd has some food issues, if its not beige she won't eat it. We work hard on getting her to try new foods but a lot of veg makes her gag or even vomit. A won't get her to try anything amd feeds her the same few meals over and over because "it's too stressful" trying to get her to eat. We spoke with the gp and hv and they were working to set up some classes etc to help dsd over come her food issues. Then after an argument between F and A, A moved dsd drs without telling us so everything the gp amd hv had set up stopped as it was in a different county.
A is insistent dsd is autistic which is why sje has food issues and uses it as an excuse (sje can't correct dsds bad behaviour because it's autism, she can't get dsd to try new food because it's autism etc). Dsd is the most outgoing child I know, she makes friends easily, she is smart, clever and funny, she loves cuddles and is very compassionate. Every time we mention to school/gp/hv etc that A thinks she's autistic they outright say they have never seen anything to make them even consider autism. To us it's just another excuse for A not to parent.
A never takes dsd out, even as a baby when F & A were still together ot was up to him to take her to baby groups etc. When dsd comes back to us and we ask what she's been up to it's always watched tv/played on the tablet. What's worse is when sje says mummy was going to take us to the zoo/Park etc but didn't feel well sonwe didn't go. Dsd Hates plans changing because of this if we say we are going somewhere but stop off somewhere else before hand dsd will scream that we arent going where we promised, that we are horrible etc, even if we explain we are going there next.

Anyway on to the main problem, I've tried loads to help F sort problems with A, I've contacted citizens advice, mediation, and even social services. I've offered to use our wedding fund to get a decent solicitor to help but F keeps putting things off and refusing to take steps to sort the issues or he'll start and then A will calm down so he'll stop and say he doesn't want to rock the boat while A is being reasonable.

If F & A have an argument A will block his calls and refuse to tell him how dsd is doing and on occasion has threatened to keep dsd away from us.

The main problem at the moment is I have covid (only found out through a lateral flow for work but then went downhill and have been really rough for over a week). The day we found out F let A know and sje started screaming at him that we knew before dsd came over and had kept it from her which is not true. She then said she didn't want dsd back until my 10 day isolatin period was up because she didn't want C to get it. Dsd was obviously upset sje won't see her mum for 10 days. So my mum has been taking dsd the 30 min drive to school (then driving back to get to work) amd then doing the same to pick dsd up as F doesn't drive and I cant leave the house. Today mum couldn't get to school until 10 mins after pick up due to work so we convinced A to pick dsd up amd wait in the car park the 10 mins until my mum could get there. Dsd has developed a cough but she's had a pcr and is given a lateral flow every day before school which are all negative, ots a chesty cough to do with her breathing, her inhaler makes a difference and she doesn't have a temp etc so school are happy for her to go. So today dsd actually gets to see her mum but coughs and F receives a horrible phone call with A yelling dsd has covjd and now C will get covid and die and when that happens I'll hold you responsible. F tried to call her down but A hung up and blocked him. Dsd got upset asking why her little brother was going to die. We calmed her down when she got home and me and F went off to talk about As behaviour away from the kids.

I told him I'd had enough and he needed to do something and actually do.it not start it and then stop when A calmed down as this whole situation isn't fair on any of us especially dsd.
F then just flipped out and started yelling that I was supposed to support him and I wasn't being supportive I told him i was trying but finding it increasingly difficult and I'd actually questioned our engagement because I didn't know if I could be tied to As crazy behaviour for the rest of my life. F yelled if thats how you feel ill go to my parents. Hes taken dsd and left (hours ago) and I told him if he can't talk like an adult without running away then I'm not sure I want to marry him. Befor he left he said some horrible things including that I was a bitch to dsd that i treat her differently to the biys, that I'm vile to him and don't support him. That I didn't do anything for him while he was ill with a sickness bug a few weeks ago and he's had to do everything while I've had covid (which isn't true I did everything while he was ill). I'm seriously questioning the future of our relationship if every time A is difficult F takes it out on me.

AIBU?

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NatureWalk · 19/11/2021 00:54

Sorry that was an incredibly long one congrats if you made it all the way through.

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Ifigotherewillbedouble · 19/11/2021 01:08

Wow - what stands out for me is how F spoke to you. You can tolerate a lot of things from third parties, if you are both supporting each other, but for him to turn on you, and then actually LEAVE you when you are feeling so unwell isn’t acceptable. Your mother has been taking HIS child to school ffs, I take it that you normally take her when you don’t have Covid? How old is DSD? As for the ex’s MH, it doesn’t surprise me that she’s not been diagnosed, a lot of people struggle with their MH with little support. Anyway - I don’t think YABU to consider leaving F, but it’s got nothing to do with how his ex treats DSD, it’s about how F treats YOU.

NatureWalk · 19/11/2021 01:11

Sorry dsd is 4 and just started school.

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ikeptgoing · 19/11/2021 01:11

Yes that's is a walk of text that's hard to read. You don't say wants her what age DSD is? She was 3 at some point but now is at school? She has Autism?

Anyway that bit aside , your DO has left after a row taking DSD with him to .... where?and you have Covid and you also have 3 DS s aged 4-8 yo
And you feel let down by your DP (fiancé) who also shouted nasty shite at you before you left.

So I'm this story your 3 DCs get little look in
A B snd C are irrelevant really

I'm

NatureWalk · 19/11/2021 01:16

Dsd 8s 4, she doesn't have autism her mum just keeps insisting she does but no professional agrees. My 3 weren't really relevant to the story as all the stress is coming from trying to manage As behaviour with dsd.

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ikeptgoing · 19/11/2021 01:18

Argh posted accidentally and hadn't had chance to correct autocorrects ...,

After that wall of text, is an AIBU but I can't tell....
you've have legal advice since? Maybe look for comfort snd for safe life uirnwondDH person

frazzledasarock · 19/11/2021 01:22

I’d leave the entire shit show. Not because of ex but because of the hugely disrespectful way in which your P treats you and has now walked out on you whilst you’re unwell with covid, leaving you to manage with three kids on your own.

He sounds like he enjoys drama and is a rubbish dad. You sound like you’re doing all the running around and parenting of his child as well as your own.

Imagine life in a calm household without all the drama.

OldWivesTale · 19/11/2021 01:35

Just because school say she doesn't have autism, don't rule it out. They are really not experts at making a diagnosis and most teachers have zero knowledge of SEN - I know this because I'm a teacher. We get virtually no training in sen; I only know about it through my own neurodiverse DC. The only person able to make an autism diagnosis is a child psychiatrist. Autistic children are often very bright, chatty, affectionate and empathetic. It's a spectrum "disorder" which means it presents in many different ways for different people. I think her step mum might be on to something; before you mentioned autism, based on what you'd written, I was thinking autism.

TheWestIsTheBest · 19/11/2021 01:36

Yeah I wouldn't be rushing to marry him, both because of his inability and/or unwillingness to sort out the daughter situation, and because of his behaviour when you raised the issue. I know its a difficult situation, but I actually have a friend who recently got full custody of his children because of similar issues with the mother failing to provide adequate care (one child has autism), so perhaps this is something your partner should be considering. But I would be thinking twice about marrying him at all after talking to you like that and running away to mummy and daddy!

NatureWalk · 19/11/2021 01:41

@OldWivesTale she's been seen by someone at school to rule out autism. Most of the issues come from her mothers behaviour (I'm her step mum). If she does have autism that doesn't matter but it's her mums behaviour in all this thats not helping the situation. Her mum hasn't spoken to the school/gp etc about her worries over autism just keeps throwing the word around it was me and F who approached the school and the school who bought in a child psychologist. We are still waiting for the report back about their findings.

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NatureWalk · 19/11/2021 01:45

@TheWestIsTheBest every time we have a disagreement he says he's going tomhjs parents. I think he was shocked when I told him to go. I think he does it to get a reaction out of me and this time I wasn't having any of it.

I feel weirdly calm about everything. I cant sleep and I keep crying but I also feel calm about sorting all the practical aspects out. The only downside is I'll probably have to leave the job I love as I won't be able to carry on evening and night shifts without someone here with the kids.

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Obsidiansphere · 19/11/2021 02:01

Yanbu, you sound like the only adult in this scenario, concentrate on your dcs.

FliesAreMad · 19/11/2021 02:04

The behaviour of your fiancé and dsd would be impacting negatively on your own kids. For that alone, I’d at the very least not live together. But your fiancé sounds like a lazy parent who communicates badly, and his ex will be a batshit nightmare for the next 15 years. Why keep that in your life and your kid’s lives? It won’t be a happy relationship adding value to your life or your children’s lives.

If you only met your fiancé today but you knew all that about him, his ex, and dsd, I can’t imagine you would have given him a second glance.

Life is too short to be part of someone else’s shit show, it’s sad for dsd but I’d leave him to it.

Kinko · 19/11/2021 02:22

Wow there's a lot to unpack here. Obviously A sounds like a lunatic and F sounds stressed.

Ignoring the argument tonight (we can all say awful things in the heat of the moment, when emotions are high) I think focus on:

Do you love him? outside of this situation does he make you happy?
Is he a good SD to your kids?

Start from there because if the answer is - yes (or even mostly yes) then you've got something to work from. If the answer is - not sure/no - then everything else is a lot of grief.

I feel desperately sorry for the kid in all this. You sound like a good Mum, with good instincts and also very caring and worried for this little girl. When you talk about her I get the feeling she's like your own - it's poignant you say 'she threatens to keep dsd away from us' instead of 'him'.

You talk in a very much - one team/togetherness type of way. So my take is - you're just really upset and hurt right now with the things he's said. My gut feel is that your F did the typical guy thing, he got angry when he got scared. You did say you weren't sure about marrying him, that's a big and very scary statement for someone to hear, and you got a big angry hurt reaction to it, so I would forgive it. He likely feels all levels of helpless, and taking legal or formal action against the mother of his kid is a big thing to do. The fact that he's deflecting on taking the action by making excuses that things have gotten better tell me that he just doesn't want to go down that route, so you pushing him that way is adding to his pressure. He's trying to placate all parties basically.

By the way I'm not blaming you at all. I'd feel the same as you, but if he wanted to take action, he would have done it by now. But if you continue to push him to do it and deep down he doesn't want to - he will just feel it as control and pressure from you (rather than support and help which is how you intend it).

But even if you unpick the emotions and can empathise with his predicament- it's still your life that it's deeply impacting.

Yanbu at all but you have to separate him from the situation - and that's where it comes back to my original questions about whether aside from the situation he makes you happy, or whether the situation just takes all the happiness away.

You need to accept that for whatever his reasons he doesn't want to take formal action against his ex and therefore the only player you can control in this is you and your thoughts, feelings and reactions to events such as the things that have come up. Can you remove yourself from the conflict between F and his ex? quietly keep your opinions to yourself but in equal measure continue to be a caring stepmum? And it's honestly OK if the answer to that is - 'no, I know myself and I can't do it, he needs to fix it or I'm out'. If that's how you feel, leave quietly telling him that the situation just makes you deeply unhappy and you can't be a bystander to it.

Above all don't end a relationship because of a fight, end it because you've really worked out that you can't live in it.

Hope that helps. Feel for you x

TheGirlCat · 19/11/2021 02:26

Yeah, he sounds rude, abusive and selfish. You don't need that, no one needs that. You've put up with more than most women would. I would text him now and say that it's over and you want him to get his stuff asap.

JollyHolly30 · 19/11/2021 02:46

@ikeptgoing

Argh posted accidentally and hadn't had chance to correct autocorrects ...,

After that wall of text, is an AIBU but I can't tell....
you've have legal advice since? Maybe look for comfort snd for safe life uirnwondDH person

Ironically, the OP's post which you claim not to be able to understand, made a lot more sense than your two!
SpidersAreShitheads · 19/11/2021 02:52

@Kinko

Wow there's a lot to unpack here. Obviously A sounds like a lunatic and F sounds stressed.

Ignoring the argument tonight (we can all say awful things in the heat of the moment, when emotions are high) I think focus on:

Do you love him? outside of this situation does he make you happy?
Is he a good SD to your kids?

Start from there because if the answer is - yes (or even mostly yes) then you've got something to work from. If the answer is - not sure/no - then everything else is a lot of grief.

I feel desperately sorry for the kid in all this. You sound like a good Mum, with good instincts and also very caring and worried for this little girl. When you talk about her I get the feeling she's like your own - it's poignant you say 'she threatens to keep dsd away from us' instead of 'him'.

You talk in a very much - one team/togetherness type of way. So my take is - you're just really upset and hurt right now with the things he's said. My gut feel is that your F did the typical guy thing, he got angry when he got scared. You did say you weren't sure about marrying him, that's a big and very scary statement for someone to hear, and you got a big angry hurt reaction to it, so I would forgive it. He likely feels all levels of helpless, and taking legal or formal action against the mother of his kid is a big thing to do. The fact that he's deflecting on taking the action by making excuses that things have gotten better tell me that he just doesn't want to go down that route, so you pushing him that way is adding to his pressure. He's trying to placate all parties basically.

By the way I'm not blaming you at all. I'd feel the same as you, but if he wanted to take action, he would have done it by now. But if you continue to push him to do it and deep down he doesn't want to - he will just feel it as control and pressure from you (rather than support and help which is how you intend it).

But even if you unpick the emotions and can empathise with his predicament- it's still your life that it's deeply impacting.

Yanbu at all but you have to separate him from the situation - and that's where it comes back to my original questions about whether aside from the situation he makes you happy, or whether the situation just takes all the happiness away.

You need to accept that for whatever his reasons he doesn't want to take formal action against his ex and therefore the only player you can control in this is you and your thoughts, feelings and reactions to events such as the things that have come up. Can you remove yourself from the conflict between F and his ex? quietly keep your opinions to yourself but in equal measure continue to be a caring stepmum? And it's honestly OK if the answer to that is - 'no, I know myself and I can't do it, he needs to fix it or I'm out'. If that's how you feel, leave quietly telling him that the situation just makes you deeply unhappy and you can't be a bystander to it.

Above all don't end a relationship because of a fight, end it because you've really worked out that you can't live in it.

Hope that helps. Feel for you x

I think this is a really good post and raises important points.

Your DP sounds exhausted, stressed and doesn't know how to fix things, and now - in his eyes - you're piling into him too. No, it's not a great reaction but he's being pulled in different directions and is worried about his little girl. The difficult ex threatens to remove access if he steps out of line, his DD has breathing difficulties and the school have called you in to discuss "serious" concerns. And now you're saying that you have had enough and are issuing him with what feels like an ultimatum. He just sounds like someone at breaking point.

It's worth saying that I don't blame you for feeling the way you do, and you must be utterly exhausted from all of this too. I'm just saying that if he's generally a communicative, thoughtful partner and this is out of the usual, then maybe don't judge him too harshly on what's been said here. However, you will need to reconsider whether this is something you can do for the long haul - and if you can't, then there's no shame in it. It sounds like a horrible, draining situation with no easy resolution. No shame in choosing to walk away.

Also, I have to say this but please don't dismiss autism so quickly. The fact that she was assessed suggests there are some indicators that could point to autism. If there was nothing at all and the mum was just making it up, she wouldn't have even reached an assessment. However, many, many of these autism assessments carried out get it wrong, especially on girls, and especially when they're young. I very much doubt "someone at school" was properly qualified to do a full assessment for ASD, especially in a child where there are complex other issues which may be muddying the picture. Of course, she may not be autistic but PLEASE don't dismiss it so blithely. Regardless of what the media tells you, it is very hard to get a diagnosis of autism - especially in girls. And I say this as a mother of two autistic DC - a boy who was diagnosed at age 4, and his twin sister who took six more years to be diagnosed, aged 10. The mum may be an utterly shitty parent who is damaging her child, but that doesn't mean you SD isn't autistic too. Both things may be true.

Good luck whatever you decide. What a heart-breaking situation, especially for the little girl.

Ffs2020 · 19/11/2021 03:30

I think it's going around. Last week dp and I had an argument about his ex and the best way to deal with her. Like you, I told him he needed to get his solicitor to act, and that I'm done with the softly slowly approach. It's not working and if he wants to continue it he'll continue it alone. Eventually, he understood that I'm serious.

With dp, I've found that there's a huge amount of guilt. Guilt that he chose this really argumentative person, brought her into everyone's lives, and that his children are stuck in the middle of the arguments.

Guilts a funny thing and can boil over in strange ways. Add in the stress, worry, and just the daunting prospect of court and its a nightmare.

Having said that, I don't think yabu. I know how frustrating it is to be worrying about dsc, while feeling that nobody else is, and what's the point when it feels everyone is working against you and dsc anyway.

Everyone has a limit, and if you've reached yours, that's OK.

Valeriekat · 19/11/2021 03:35

Leave him for your sake and your children's sake. Too much drama. It sounds like he needs to do more looking after his own child.

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 19/11/2021 03:48

[quote NatureWalk]@TheWestIsTheBest every time we have a disagreement he says he's going tomhjs parents. I think he was shocked when I told him to go. I think he does it to get a reaction out of me and this time I wasn't having any of it.

I feel weirdly calm about everything. I cant sleep and I keep crying but I also feel calm about sorting all the practical aspects out. The only downside is I'll probably have to leave the job I love as I won't be able to carry on evening and night shifts without someone here with the kids.[/quote]
Yanbu at all. And totally correct to insist its resolved premarriage.
Well done for having such good boundaries. You have been very supportive and patient to date - Such a shame your F is choosing to behave so badly. Flowers

Re job - dont knee jerk and quit!
Can you speak to your job and explain the dilemma and see if there is a way to accomodate or adjust or reduce hours or work from home for a bit? Could your mother help at all?

Fireflygal · 19/11/2021 04:08

How long have you been together? His other children is only 2?

What did you do for work before you met him?

Yes, I would definitely end it. Their relationship can't have ended that long ago and you are being dragged into their drama. The situation won't get better because your partner doesn't have the skills to deal with it and him and his ex are still acting like a dysfunctional couple.

Whilst you are dealing with this shitstorm you are not focusing on your own children. Look at the stepparenting board - it rarely gets better.

For your own sake, walk away from a man who calls you names, especiallypre marriage...is he the role model your boys need? I imagine he will ramp up his behaviour post marriage.

PrincessNutella · 19/11/2021 05:10

It sounds as if you would have been an angel of a stepmother, and that you love that little girl, but you're going to get your heart ripped up if you stay, because you'll never have any control over her well-being with her two incredibly immature parents holding her fate hostage. It sounds like those two deserve each other. I'd get out myself and my three children out of that circus and let those two monkeys battle it out before things go even farther downhill than they are already.

NatureWalk · 19/11/2021 07:00

@Fireflygal we've been together 2 years. His daughter is 4. Dsd mum has a 2yo with someone else.

I worked in a similar role when I met him but only did days.

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Cactusandmarshmallows · 19/11/2021 07:08

I think that while A does sound like she has a lot of issues you may be a little quick to blame some of DSDs behaviour on her parenting as well.

Having said that though I think it might be better for your other kids that you end things as it all sounds like it can’t help but take your energy from them

Heronwatcher · 19/11/2021 07:12

Irrespective of how your partner speaks to you (which I will assume is a one off) if he lets his ex treat their daughter like that he is an absolute heel of a man. In my view not calling an ambulance when your child is very ill and making up illnesses like autism is neglect. It sounds as though his ex is mentally ill but he needs to care for their daughter, including getting residence if necessary, however hard this might be, for her sake. I think I would have lost respect for him some time ago.

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