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AIBU to end my relationship with my fiance over his exs behaviour woth DSD?

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NatureWalk · 19/11/2021 00:53

This could be a long one sorry!
Background: I live with Fiancé (F) my 3 children from a previous relationship (8,5&4) and dsd is 50/50 between us and her mum (A) and strpdad(B). A & B also have a 2 yo together (C).

A is self diagnosed with several MH issues but doesn't receive help amd has no formal diagnosis. Some background on As parenting. Dsd has breathing issues, in the winter a cold goes straight to her chest and she's been in and out of hospital because her oxygen levels drop really low and she needs oxygen. A has only once been to hospital with dsd it used to be just F and then me and F after we met. Once A refused to ring an ambulance and we had to drive over and ring an ambulance for dsd and she was rushed into hospital. Drs said at that point dsd was close to having to be ventilated her breathing was so bad.
A also never bothered to potty train dsd, we did that and every time dsd came back from A she'd be in a nappy again. A treats dsd like a baby, she dresses her, puts her shoes on, tidys her room, only stoped feeding her baby food jars when she was 3 and we insisted she stopped (which was a huge row). Dsd comes back from A talking like a baby (pointing at things and going uh uh rather than using words). Dsd has epic tantrums when she comes back from A, if she's asked to dress herself, tidy her room, eat her tea etc she'll scream that mummy never makes her and we are horrible to her, she'll even lie on the floor and kick her legs yelling I'm a baby I can't do it. The worst ones are when she says she'll never be loved or happy again. School have picked up on these (they happen daily at school too) we got called into a meeting which A refused to attend with us and went at a later date. School is eriously concerned and actually had a teacher who specialises in child psychology sit in and observe dsd. We are still waiting for the report back about that.

F and I live across a county border from A, dsd was registered with a Dr near us. Its a great Dr they really go above and beyond. Dsd has some food issues, if its not beige she won't eat it. We work hard on getting her to try new foods but a lot of veg makes her gag or even vomit. A won't get her to try anything amd feeds her the same few meals over and over because "it's too stressful" trying to get her to eat. We spoke with the gp and hv and they were working to set up some classes etc to help dsd over come her food issues. Then after an argument between F and A, A moved dsd drs without telling us so everything the gp amd hv had set up stopped as it was in a different county.
A is insistent dsd is autistic which is why sje has food issues and uses it as an excuse (sje can't correct dsds bad behaviour because it's autism, she can't get dsd to try new food because it's autism etc). Dsd is the most outgoing child I know, she makes friends easily, she is smart, clever and funny, she loves cuddles and is very compassionate. Every time we mention to school/gp/hv etc that A thinks she's autistic they outright say they have never seen anything to make them even consider autism. To us it's just another excuse for A not to parent.
A never takes dsd out, even as a baby when F & A were still together ot was up to him to take her to baby groups etc. When dsd comes back to us and we ask what she's been up to it's always watched tv/played on the tablet. What's worse is when sje says mummy was going to take us to the zoo/Park etc but didn't feel well sonwe didn't go. Dsd Hates plans changing because of this if we say we are going somewhere but stop off somewhere else before hand dsd will scream that we arent going where we promised, that we are horrible etc, even if we explain we are going there next.

Anyway on to the main problem, I've tried loads to help F sort problems with A, I've contacted citizens advice, mediation, and even social services. I've offered to use our wedding fund to get a decent solicitor to help but F keeps putting things off and refusing to take steps to sort the issues or he'll start and then A will calm down so he'll stop and say he doesn't want to rock the boat while A is being reasonable.

If F & A have an argument A will block his calls and refuse to tell him how dsd is doing and on occasion has threatened to keep dsd away from us.

The main problem at the moment is I have covid (only found out through a lateral flow for work but then went downhill and have been really rough for over a week). The day we found out F let A know and sje started screaming at him that we knew before dsd came over and had kept it from her which is not true. She then said she didn't want dsd back until my 10 day isolatin period was up because she didn't want C to get it. Dsd was obviously upset sje won't see her mum for 10 days. So my mum has been taking dsd the 30 min drive to school (then driving back to get to work) amd then doing the same to pick dsd up as F doesn't drive and I cant leave the house. Today mum couldn't get to school until 10 mins after pick up due to work so we convinced A to pick dsd up amd wait in the car park the 10 mins until my mum could get there. Dsd has developed a cough but she's had a pcr and is given a lateral flow every day before school which are all negative, ots a chesty cough to do with her breathing, her inhaler makes a difference and she doesn't have a temp etc so school are happy for her to go. So today dsd actually gets to see her mum but coughs and F receives a horrible phone call with A yelling dsd has covjd and now C will get covid and die and when that happens I'll hold you responsible. F tried to call her down but A hung up and blocked him. Dsd got upset asking why her little brother was going to die. We calmed her down when she got home and me and F went off to talk about As behaviour away from the kids.

I told him I'd had enough and he needed to do something and actually do.it not start it and then stop when A calmed down as this whole situation isn't fair on any of us especially dsd.
F then just flipped out and started yelling that I was supposed to support him and I wasn't being supportive I told him i was trying but finding it increasingly difficult and I'd actually questioned our engagement because I didn't know if I could be tied to As crazy behaviour for the rest of my life. F yelled if thats how you feel ill go to my parents. Hes taken dsd and left (hours ago) and I told him if he can't talk like an adult without running away then I'm not sure I want to marry him. Befor he left he said some horrible things including that I was a bitch to dsd that i treat her differently to the biys, that I'm vile to him and don't support him. That I didn't do anything for him while he was ill with a sickness bug a few weeks ago and he's had to do everything while I've had covid (which isn't true I did everything while he was ill). I'm seriously questioning the future of our relationship if every time A is difficult F takes it out on me.

AIBU?

OP posts:
NatureWalk · 20/11/2021 10:54

@BungleandGeorgeive been pushing F to get gp/hv appointments I've looked into other roots for assessment. I'm not dismissing it I know she has issues but F hasn't done any of it. A keeps yelling autism but hasn't done a single thing to get her help. A hasn't made a single gp/any sort of medical appointment for dsd in the 2 years I've been with F. A cries autism as an excuse to not parent (oh I cant tell her off/can't encourage her to try new food/can't do this that the other because she's autistic). If F gets assessment etc and dsd is autistic so be it but A isn't saying it because she thinks dsd need help ots just a convenient excuse not to do the hard bits of parenting. I've always said dsd needs some sort of help about her food issues and certain other things but if F and A won't do anything there's not s lot I can do.

We actually were getting somewhere with our drs. They'd sorted a food course for dsd to attend to help and we're looking into other options but A got in an argument with F and moved dsd to a Dr near her so the whole process stopped as it was a different county. Our gp was really apologetic but said things differ by county so she couldn't help any more unless we moved her back. F didn't want to get in a battle of constantly moving dsd to iour dr for A to move her back.

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GenderApostatemk2 · 20/11/2021 11:25

If you were my daughter I’d advise you to end things, just think how complicated it would get if you had a child with him. Put your kids first, it can’t be easy growing up with this surrounding them , it sounds chaotic.
My DD has a son with her partner, he has two kids with his ex wife and they have them every weekend.
His ex sounds just like your partner’s, right down to insisting on autism ( it’s not, just poor parenting on her part).
It’s not easy but at least they work as a team, if her partner acted like yours then I would be encouraging her to leave him.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 20/11/2021 11:26

therefore it's not fair to judge her mum as she is possibly dealing with a lot more than you think

Her child might be autistic so it’s fine for her to neglect her and be abusive?!wtf

lockdownalli · 20/11/2021 11:32

Honestly OP I think you should call it a day. This situation must have already had a detrimental impact on your and your DC and things won't change.

Pack up his stuff and send/take it to his parents. Block them and him if they are badgering you.

You are better off without all this drama.

JingsMahBucket · 20/11/2021 11:35

[quote NatureWalk]@FallonCarringtonWannabe no medical reason just doesn't want to. He's gone back to his parents now which is within walking distance to her school so will be able to get her there.

I was just thinking about the driving thing actually. Fs dad is having a double knee replacement next year and Fs mum doesn't drive so Fs dad asked if I'd be able to drive her around to go shopping etc and drive them to Devon for their holidays they take every year (about 3 times). Not one mention of F learning to drive to do that or asking his daughter who lives 5 mins away and her dc have grown and left home.

Hindsight is a marvellous thing![/quote]
@NatureWalk his entire family is abusing you and taking advantage of you. You’re in another manipulative and dysfunctional relationship. Don’t feel horrible about it but rather pat yourself on the back! You recognized it much earlier this time around and are acknowledging it’s time for you to get out. Brava!

I’d message your mother and tell her just that — you’ve recognized you’re in another dysfunctional relationship and you’d like her emotional support to leave it. If anything, you’d like her to not hound you and leave you to process this.

Do you have any friends who can support you and help pack all your ex’s belongings? Pack all that up and drop it at his parents. Change the locks if you can or at least double lock them so he can’t get in.

Afterward I’d then report both him and A to social services and the school. Both for ex’s daughter and for A’s son. She’s clearly abusive. I’d also message A’s poor partner and tell him it’s okay to leave an abusive relationship too. He obviously needs to hear that message as well.

Fireflygal · 20/11/2021 11:49

Theyve always had a 50/50 split but F used to live with his parents close to A

His parents don't want him back so in their interests to encourage you to take him on. How old is he?

His comments about you thinking dsd is like her mum is likely to be projection..it's what he is thinking.

Please know you can't fix this dysfunction. You can't work harder or love more. It's out of your control. You only have 2 choices, accept that this will be your life and the lives of your children or leave. Nothing in-between as the issues can't be solved by you. Heartbreaking to see a child like your dsd going through this but you are ONLY responsible for your children..
How old are you?

ChargingBuck · 20/11/2021 11:55

@NatureWalk

I have my mum and his mum constantly messaging me telling me to stop being stubborn and take him back but every time I think of having to deal with his ex again I get major anxiety. I feel completely alone. My kids are confused. They miss their sister and have been acting up. I still feel awful from covid. I'm still in isolation so the kids are climbing the walls they don't like being stuck inside. Everything is getting to me at the moment.
You seem surrounded & beset by fuckwits OP.

Initially, I felt you should press for formalised contact so A cannot mess you around, plus social services intervention but it looks like F is too chicken to do the former & you have already tried the latter.

Then I read that F is being a total twat to you, consistently uses his pathetic "I'll go to my mum's house, so ner!" evasion tactic instead of actually engaging with you about the problems, & ultimately thinks it's fine to project blame on you by inventing a story about how badly you treat DSD. Nice.

On top of that, his mum clearly doesn't want the burden of F lodging back at hers so urges you to take him back, never mind whether any issues are being addressed let alone sorted.
And WTF is going on with your own mother, telling you to kowtow to your ridiculous F?

Frankly, the best scenario would be for you to saddle up a white steed & fuck off into the sunset with all 4 kids. As you can't do that, the next-best option is to take your 3 DC & fuck off out of this appalling situation. You cannot do anything to help little DSS if her dad is too cowardly & unwilling & her mum too fuckwitted & lazy. So look to your own kids, who must be affected by all this nonsense going on around them.

I also think you need to reframe this.
As you cannot legally do anything for DSS, all you can do is accept that - for you & your DC - the DSS welfare issue is a red herring.
Because what is REALLY it issue here is you are living with a ridiculous manchild who refuses to parent his own kid properly, won't challenge A about her damaging behaviours, & who runs home to mummy whenever you ask him to do the decent thing for DSS.

I suspect your growing reluctance to crack on with actually marrying F is a sound instinct. Do you really want your & your 3 DC's lives to revolve around DSS & her batshit parents? How do you see the teen years panning out? Are you happy for your 3 to take the backseat in all the dramas that are going to be enacted as DSS grows up, & her parents continue to refuse to step up?

Don't ask your bloody mother for any advice about this btw.
If you're going to go - GO. Don't consult her, just present her with a done deal. Because she's not putting your & her GC's interests first.
You 4 have no need to stay in this toxic dynamic, propping up a man who is woefully failing his child, but blaming you for it.

Have a long think about what you want this weekend, & what life could look like for you & your 3 without all of this palaver in it. I'm very sorry for DSS, but what can you do ... ? Unless F changes his mindset & behaviours pronto, why should you all stick around playing second fiddle to a pair of twats (A & F)?

ChargingBuck · 20/11/2021 12:00

@Cactusandmarshmallows

I think that while A does sound like she has a lot of issues you may be a little quick to blame some of DSDs behaviour on her parenting as well.

Having said that though I think it might be better for your other kids that you end things as it all sounds like it can’t help but take your energy from them

Yeah, let's not blame the mum, eh @Cactusandmarshmallows

What loving parent doesn't refuse to call an ambulance when their child is having trouble breathing? Come on, we've all done it, just for the shits & giggles.

Monr0e · 20/11/2021 12:13

How quickly did he move in? He has well and truly landed on his feet with you, you seem to have immediately taken on all the responsibility of parenting his dd when she is there while he gets to threaten to run back to mummy ( who doesn't want him) when things aren't going his way.

If you truly want to save your relationship, tell him he needs to move out and parent his dd alone for a while and you can just date as the stress of dealing with the situation is too much.

However, I think if you remove his cushty home life and withdraw your parenting support you won't see him for dust.

ChristmasPlanning · 20/11/2021 12:18

You absolutely need to put you & your DC first.I agree with your plan to highlight to school/SS what DSD is going through.

I cannot stop thinking about her and that her own mother did not care about her breathing. She is being neglected

ChargingBuck · 20/11/2021 12:20

hear hear, @Monr0e

I've been quietly wondering how much F contributes, by way of financial AND household-drudging.

It seems like he has never provided a home for his child - just relied on his mummy or OP - so I can't help but wonder if he is cocklodging off OP.

Rememberallball · 20/11/2021 14:19

@Authenticcelestialmusic

If F does not drive how did he get her to school before you got together? Did he do 50/50 before you got together?

For your kids sake it may be better if you are living apart. But i presume if you or your mum take her to school the 50/50 will now stop (not that that is your problem) or he will have to move closer to his ex (again not your problem).

I wonder if he will give up the 50/50 without your input.

Op says they’ve been together 2 years and DSD is only 4 so wasn’t at school before they were together
NatureWalk · 20/11/2021 17:25

It just goes from bad to worse. My parents are refusing to talk to me now because I'm being irrational. Fs mum messaged and asked what needs to change to make things work between me and F. I said if there was any hope then F needs to get a solicitor and begin taking steps to get things sorted for dsd. She messaged back saying I'm fixated on dsds problems and I've let A get under my skin. She said dsd is just a fussy eater and has normal 4yo tantrums. When I pointed out that school wouldn't be insisting on assessments if they thought it was normal she said that I'm stubborn and blaming dsd for my problems.

I feel completely abandoned by everyone I thought I could trust.

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Dontbeme · 20/11/2021 17:33

Wtf are your parents so involved in supporting your DP? Are they thinking that they will be asked to support you in childcare while you work if he wasn't about?

As for your "D"P he's so bothered about you he has his mam messaging you, rather than you know picking up the phone and talking to you, like a grown up. I think a pp called it when they wrote you are surrounded by fuckwits. These people are doing all this when you are ill too.

Take the isolation as a gift OP, you don't have to see these people, so block them all and give yourself time to think. I would be tempted to reply to his mother that for things to work your DP needs to drive himself (and his CF parents) about and he needs to set himself up in his own home. Make it clear you won't be housing him or chauffeur them, that should get his mother to stop messaging.

ChargingBuck · 20/11/2021 17:40

Do you know what Nature - fuck F's mum. You are not stubborn - you are concerned.
Fuck your parents. You are not irrational - you are concerned.
Fuck your ridiculous ineffective 'fiance', & fuck A.

F's mum & your own parents are being Flying Monkeys for F.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-autism-spectrum-disorder/202010/are-you-narcissist-s-flying-monkey

I'm not saying this to paint F as a narcissist, but when you read the article you will recognise the dynamic.

As to F's mum saying you are "blaming DSD for (your) problems" -
the point is, you don't have a problem. You seem to be the only adult who is pushing for help & support for DSD.
The only problem in your life is the problem of living with an ineffective parent who is still enmeshed with & enabling his Ex's highly dubious parenting.

Stop believing a single word those flying monkeys are spouting at you.
Start talking to good & trusted friends, &/or a trusted relative if you have one - one who will NOT bleat to your parents.
You are not going to change anyone else's shit behaviour here, so just work on yourself & your 3 kids.

It's your house, isn't it? He's not on the deeds/tenancy ... so it's very simple. Off he trots, home to mummy, & they can enjoy pandering to A & fucking up DSD.

There's simply nothing you can do about that, apart from report to SS & school again - no matter how much you might love this child, staying for her sake won't change the outcome (because you are being scapegoated by all the other players, so that they don't have to acknowledge or take responsibility for the very real damage that is being done to DSD) - you won't be "saving" her, because the other adults won't let you, but you will be doing your own 3 a major disservice by staying with F.

MzHz · 20/11/2021 18:04

Any decent parent worth their salt would be telling you that none of this is your problem, that your kids ARE suffering as a result of this fucked up dad/dsd/dsd mum scenario

They’d tell you you’ve done all you can and to walk away.

Fuck your parents,
Fuck F, Fuck A, fuck all this shit!

None of this is your problem.

lockdownalli · 20/11/2021 18:18

Block Fs Mum. You don't have to communicate with her.

You still seem to think you can fix this. You can't.

CuriousBogInTheNight · 20/11/2021 18:28

Run.

CuriousBogInTheNight · 20/11/2021 18:29

Why is everyone so enmeshed?
I think you need to protect your kids and stop exposing them to this madness. Do you want them to think this is normal and acceptable behaviour?

Rheia1983 · 20/11/2021 18:51

Dear OP, as so eloquently put by a PP, you are beset and surrounded by absolute fuckwits. They can all bugger off.

Put your kids as well as your physical and mental health first. Get the rest and mental break you need and look after yourself. It is not selfish to do so. You matter too and were not put on this world to be a punching bag for other people.

user1471442488 · 20/11/2021 19:08

F is a fuckin pathetic loser. Running to his mum and her messaging you. You don’t answer to her so I wouldn’t bother getting into it.

Your parents need to do better though. Why on earth they’re supporting him I don’t know.

You know he’s useless, and he won’t get better. This will be your life for the next 15 years at least as dsd grows up. Do the right thing for you and your own children by walking away. It’s only been 2 years, don’t throw more of your life away on this bullshit.

Also, I would call social services every time I was aware of any abusive or neglectful behaviour on the part of A. Those poor children. Remember that your lovely F facilitates the abuse of those kids.

VillageOf8 · 20/11/2021 19:30

OP, I'm sorry you are going thru this. You did the right thing and should no longer tolerate this behavior from a grown man/dad. It sucks for the little girl but if her dad won't help her and set strong boundaries with the mother, then there's really not much you can do. This is how it's been and this is how it will be. Do you want your marriage to be controlled by the SM and her outbursts? Do you want a husband who will speak to you like this and run off to his parents? (his parents!!!)

I know it hurts, but at this point, you should really end it. It's not fair to your kids and it's not fair to you to have to live like this. But especially your kids. This guy is showing you who he is. Believe him. This is a gift that people often times don't get prior to marrying a dumpster fire. Take this gift and leave him. This is a good teaching opportunity for your kids too since they were most likely attached to him. Explain to them in kid friendly ways what happened.

Good luck OP and stay strong. Don't tolerate this anymore. It'll end up breaking you down and hurting your kids in the long run.

VillageOf8 · 20/11/2021 19:41

I just saw your updates about your parents messaging you to take him back?!?! I'm assuming you are an adult so maybe it's a good idea to tell your parents to mind their own business and stop trying to pressure you to take back someone who is not a good person. Your parents shouldn't have so much influence in your love life like this. At the very least, they should be supporting your decision, whatever that may be.

I'm simply amazed at how many people allow their parents/other family to have so many opinions on their personal business. Tell your parents you don't want to hear anymore about it, this is your life, and end the convo/don't text back if they continue. And block your ex's mother. You owe her nothing. She raised this clown, she can deal with him herself.

NatureWalk · 20/11/2021 19:48

According to my parents he's the best thing that ever happened to me and I cant possibly look after 3 kids by myself. Well I bloody prove them wrong.

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MotherofTerriers · 20/11/2021 20:12

You can do this OP. Its a shame your parents aren't being supportive, you'd think they'd be backing you up but you can do it without them. They'll get used to it - or not - but they probably will
When I told my mum I was leaving exh having found out about his 10 year affair, her response was "well I still like him"

Looking after 3 kids by yourself will be hard work but it sounds like you'll have a lot less to do without your partner and his daughter, and you'll be so much less stressed

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