Channel crossings

[Tevion28]

Whats your thoughts on this are these people really desperate fleeing worn torn countries do you feel sorry for them etc

Raise taxes? To fund those who have just got here? Yeah great idea. You know I think that will solve everything. You're a fucking genius and need to leave the world of social services behind. Youve got my vote.

I see my comment on the first page has been deleted. I'd like to know why please MN, as there was nothing offensive in it. Saying that resources are finite is a fact.

…and it’s not that clear cut anyway. The Dublin regulation doesn’t require an asylum seeker to claim asylum in the first safe country .

@DroopyClematis

I do wonder why these poor people who are so desperate to flee from their homelands, will continue through so many other safe countries in order to get to the UK?

Why is UK the ultimate goal? Is it because it's English speaking? Does UK offer something else that is more desirable than what nations, in between, can offer?

It is so incredibly sad to see these half starved, half freezing and dazed folk land on our beaches/ports.

Because most will have learned English at school or have a basic understanding of English from songs and movies etc. It's far easier to envisage making a life for yourself somewhere you can actually speak the language. I'm sure people leaving former Portuguese colonies are far more likely to go to Portugal etc for the same reasons.

@JunoMcDuff

You're wrong.

They are Teachers, nurses, skilled tradesmen. Even lawyers and Drs. They need to jump through hoop after hoop to get registration here, but they are skilled non the less.

No, YOU are wrong. As IF the people coming to the UK (illegally - on the boats across the channel,) are doctors, teachers, lawyers, and skilled trade men and nurses.

Pull the other one, it's got bells on!

Or,put better defences in place so they cannot rock up in boats and stop the people trafficking

@tangone

The Dublin regulations only apply to countries within the EU - so not us.

They applied to U.K. until Dec 2020. And even now, still apply to refugees crossing the EU to get to the UK.

@Tevion28

I know income in these countries can be extremely low so families can't be provided for. Do you think these men think come here to try and get jobs

I know if the situation were reversed and my options were the whole family (me, dh and kids) making the treacherous journey together or sending one of us there with a hope of them then being able to send for the rest of us via safer means, I would choose the latter and send dh.

I'd not put the lives of my kids in the hands of traffickers and dh is stronger and less likely to be raped than me.

I think french police are much more openly racist than british police in general

You “think”? Or is there a source for this saying French are more racist than British?

Can I just point out something that is perhaps too obvious for native Brits to get noticed. The majority of these refugees come from countries that once were part of or on the fringes of the British empire. This means that English is the European language they are most likely to speak and the UK is the European country where they are most likely to have contacts.

This is why they don't want to stay in France. Unless you're good at languages and have the time and funds to learn a new language, you've got to avoid getting stuck somewhere where your lack of language skills would trap you in low skilled jobs.

They get treated like shit in France not qua asylum seekers, but because they refuse to enter the French asylum system, for fear of being shunted back there if they ever reach the UK. Partly, of course racism comes into it too, but there's plenty of that in the UK as well.

I came to the UK to study - would have preferred France tbh but didn't want to put in the time to improve my French. Similar story. Nothing to do with the UK being great, sorry

The Dublin regulations aim to help identify the EU country responsible for an asylum seeker - there is no law that states that asylum seeker has to claim asylum in the first safe country.

The majority of these refugees come from countries that once were part of or on the fringes of the British empire.

Not the Syrian ones. France occupied Syria when the Ottoman Empire fell until Syrian independence. No British connection there.

@DraigFach

They must be utterly desperate to attempt what is known to be a perilous journey to a country where the government have made it clear they'd prefer they drown on the attempt rather than rescue and help them.

Added to which Britain is currently the laughing stock of the world because of the way that Brexit has been handled - who the fuck in their right mind would think this is a good place to find future personal and financial security when the citizens already living here are dreading the next fuck up that'll cause us more problems? We can't even rely on staples being in stock in the shops at the moment!

There does seem to be an abundance of young fit men who "lose" their passports though which really is helping to fuel the poisonous rhetoric that Priti Patel spews on the subject.

The laughing stock of the world are we?

And yet EVERYONE wants to come here.

Go figure!

I'll just leave that there, and now I'm out coz this thread is boiling my piss.

Hiding the thread now!

[quote LittleDandelionClock]@JunoMcDuff

You're wrong.

They are Teachers, nurses, skilled tradesmen. Even lawyers and Drs. They need to jump through hoop after hoop to get registration here, but they are skilled non the less.

No, YOU are wrong. As IF the people coming to the UK (illegally - on the boats across the channel,) are doctors, teachers, lawyers, and skilled trade men and nurses.

Pull the other one, it's got bells on![/quote]
You've clearly no idea have you!

Why do you think refuges and asylum seekers are driven from their homes? It's because they don't tow the party line - usually a strictly religious party line. Who are the least likely people to tow a discriminatory party line that is enforced by fear, misinformation and withdrawal of rights? Educated people. People who have the ability to know the truth because they have access to information, can read, usually read English, internet access.

@LittleDandelionClock

Hiding the thread now!

Why? Because you can't manage rigourous debate?

Mumsnet is starting to resemble Parler with pearls

“Tow the party line”
What they pull on it with ropes? Isn’t it “toe the party line”?

Just watching the news.

Only five immigrants have been removed this year , back to France.

To be fair, Kent has suffered the brunt of the influx. The human traffickers are making huge amounts out of these vulnerable people.

As long as we accept these people then the traffickers will continue to ply their filthy trade.

Dover is almost pitiful now.

There is literally no answer to this issue.

@Lineofconcepcion

''that working people are vastly impoverished compared to our parents generation''

Really! My parents like most of their generation and class, rented their property. It had no heating only coal fires and a back burner, which was great but we couldn't always afford coal. We had frost on the inside of the windows when we woke up in the morning. Luckily we had an indoor bathroom. My grandmother didn't, she had an outside privy. Both my parents worked to pay the rent and buy food. I had no clothes, other than one second hand dress and a hand me down school uniform and it wasn't unusual for kids to go to school with no shoes. Can't say I've noticed any of that recently.

Which country and decade was this that kids commonly had no shoes??

*I worked in the camps in Dunkirk - you are very much mistaken - the majority I met were skilled workers & professionals.

Why would you assume otherwise?*

Learning the French language and applying to stay there should be a walk in the park for professionals then, we teach children French from Primary school age here, I'm pretty sure adults who've already managed to forge skilled and professional careers can manage then.

People lap up the rhetoric of the right-wing press and right-wing government and don't see they are being played and led to believe absolute lies.
We are not "full," we don't take more refugees than other countries - very far from it. In terms of percentages of populations the countries in the top ten in terms of the highest numbers of refugees include Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, Sudan, Liberia, and Uganda. The one, just one, European country in the top ten is Sweden.

In terms of pure numbers Germany is the only European country in the top ten - Turkey receives the highest number, followed by Lebanon, Jordan, Pakistan, and Sudan. Germany is at number 6.

We don't feature in the top 25.
Germany has 10 times more asylum claims than we do.

Look up Napier Barracks, look up Yarlswood, look up "no recourse to public funds".

I'm ashamed of how little we are doing, particularly when other less affluent countries are doing so much more.

They pass through multiple safe countries on the way but want to come to soft touch UK

@DroopyClematis

Just watching the news.

Only five immigrants have been removed this year , back to France.

To be fair, Kent has suffered the brunt of the influx. The human traffickers are making huge amounts out of these vulnerable people.

As long as we accept these people then the traffickers will continue to ply their filthy trade.

Dover is almost pitiful now.

If that figure of 5 is true why do you think that might be? Maybe because we are no longer part of the EU agreement on resettling asylum seekers?