Channel crossings

[Tevion28]

Whats your thoughts on this are these people really desperate fleeing worn torn countries do you feel sorry for them etc

We can’t take everyone who tries to cross the channel.

Have you ever met any refugees? Often they speak a little English, and have family or friends already here. Would you want to make a start somewhere with no connections at all?

We treat our asylum seekers awfully, but France is even worse at present

I feel extremely sorry for them and feel we should do everything to support them.

@Tevion28

Yes I get you Corr but not so sure if I'm.wrong about claims failing.

Out of interest, what source - if any - would you trust on this ?

Of course I feel sorry for them.

@DroopyClematis

I do wonder why these poor people who are so desperate to flee from their homelands, will continue through so many other safe countries in order to get to the UK?

Why is UK the ultimate goal? Is it because it's English speaking? Does UK offer something else that is more desirable than what nations, in between, can offer?

It is so incredibly sad to see these half starved, half freezing and dazed folk land on our beaches/ports.

As PPs have said, English is one draw, family and networks already here is another. We are a tolerant nation on the whole in day to day life (not being complacent - we are far from perfect, but we are better than some other places). Also, for those who wish to "disappear" and work illegally it's not as hard to do as in some other countries. We have very little enforcement of anything. Quite often these threads start listing all the draconian measures that we don't have like compulsory ID cards etc - but the lack of enforcement and penalties is key. It is very very hard to get unbiased information on what is happening.

@Horst

I think they should apply from the camps that allow them to apply. I think of it was women and children I’d be more sympathetic but these are for and healthy men who care not one bit for the laws they are breaking to get here.

Because women and children are the group most easily able to arrive somewhere new and try and work/get set up before bringing the men over, is that right?

@kaztastic

Is France war torn?

Theyre not french though, and many do stay in france, spain, germany, italy etc. Not sure why people think the UK is a step too far. Ultimately theyre fleeing their homes and different people have different destinations in mind

@JunoMcDuff

I feel extremely sorry for them and feel we should do everything to support them.

What do you mean by everything?

@FuckingPissedOff

Yes I feel sorry for them. War torn countries, very bad, etc etc.

I also however am very aware that there is no room in this country, that working people are vastly impoverished compared to our parents generation, that the chances are these people have no intention of integrating with us and in many cases for various reasons may well include people who will cause us trouble.

In short I am equally concerned about their impact as they arrive in such numbers on the future lives of my own children. In the past, such migrations have resulted in war in Britain, and I do not want my children to be forced out of their own country.

Because in the past Britons 'migrating' by choice (not seeking asylum or fleeing anything awful)never resulted in war or any issues.

@Tevion28

Yes I get you Corr but not so sure if I'm.wrong about claims failing.

Isn't about 60% that are granted asylum? With the other 40% mostly not being deported for various reasons?

I've heard that people can be full of torture marks with compelling evidence and still be refused

daimbarsatemydogsbone support asylum claims, have life boat patrols, take our fair share of asylum seekers and provide an adequate and accessible system for them.

Personally I think we should be getting them from Greece and Turkey directly to reduce the likelihood and need for these crossings - reducing the benefits to the criminal gangs who organise them.

Some are selling thier homes to raise the money for the journey

They must be utterly desperate to attempt what is known to be a perilous journey to a country where the government have made it clear they'd prefer they drown on the attempt rather than rescue and help them.

Added to which Britain is currently the laughing stock of the world because of the way that Brexit has been handled - who the fuck in their right mind would think this is a good place to find future personal and financial security when the citizens already living here are dreading the next fuck up that'll cause us more problems? We can't even rely on staples being in stock in the shops at the moment!

There does seem to be an abundance of young fit men who "lose" their passports though which really is helping to fuel the poisonous rhetoric that Priti Patel spews on the subject.

@Tevion28

Some are selling thier homes to raise the money for the journey

Source?

Hopefully this dog whistle of a thread will be deleted

@JunoMcDuff

daimbarsatemydogsbone support asylum claims, have life boat patrols, take our fair share of asylum seekers and provide an adequate and accessible system for them.

Personally I think we should be getting them from Greece and Turkey directly to reduce the likelihood and need for these crossings - reducing the benefits to the criminal gangs who organise them.

We already have life boat patrols I think (although the RNLI is a voluntary organisation of course) - and certainly anyone in the channel is abiding by the rules to render assistance if needed.

I wonder how many people a year you feel would be a fair figure for us to accept and for how how long - perhaps 500,000 a year, a Million? What do you think?

I dont understand why they make that perilous channel crossing to try and claim asylum for £37pw or go for illegal immigrant status.

I understand leaving a war torn country, but crossing all of Europe to get to the UK? Is the EU that bad in their eyes?

Hopefully this dog whistle of a thread will be deleted

Yeah - can't have any debate - shut it down by calling dog whistle.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

Hopefully this dog whistle of a thread will be deleted

Yeah - can't have any debate - shut it down by calling dog whistle.

Or recognise a dog whistle and call it out no matter what the bigots want to debate

I think part of the problem is that it's extremely difficult to distinguish between genuine refugees and economic migrants, and many are the latter. They see the UK as a 'rich' country but the reality is that only a small proportion of the population are rich. Many people struggle to afford day to day living.

I don't think that we should be accepting anybody who turns up illegally on our shores. They are criminals and should be treated as such. All this does is encourage more and more to make dangerous channel crossings. There should be some kind of system that allows genuine refugees to make an application without turning up here. It would be fairer, and a quota could be agreed for all countries.

@Whammyyammy

I dont understand why they make that perilous channel crossing to try and claim asylum for £37pw or go for illegal immigrant status.

I understand leaving a war torn country, but crossing all of Europe to get to the UK? Is the EU that bad in their eyes?

We speak English which many have as a second language - they may have family or other networks here already. The £37 pw is just until your claim is heard and you are accommodated - it's not paradise but neither is where they came from where there were no guarantees at all. The chances of securing legal (or illegal) employment can be lower in EU Countries. There are lots of reasons.

Or recognise a dog whistle and call it out no matter what the bigots want to debate

Ah yes, "call it out", "bigots", just xenophobes and racists and I'll get a full house.
You can't supress debate by banning it and shouting epithets (yet).

We speak English which many have as a second language - they may have family or other networks here already.
The £37 pw is just until your claim is heard and you are accommodated - it's not paradise but neither is where they came from where there were no guarantees at all.
The chances of securing legal (or illegal) employment can be lower in EU Countries.
There are lots of reasons.

I don't think that any of these reason justify risking the lives of young children by making an illegal crossing. It's absolutely disgraceful.