Remote workers doing multiple jobs in the same time frame, getting away with it, underperforming.

[flashbac]

"Remote working has made it easier than ever for staff to moonlight. But how do they cope with clashing meetings and two bosses? And can the rewards be worth the lies?"

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/nov/16/its-the-biggest-open-secret-out-there-the-double-lives-of-white-collar-workers-with-two-jobs

Can you imagine having two computers on and being on two zoom meetings simultaneously? (Advice is to mute yourself and turn camera off.)

I think this if CF territory. I hope it doesn't become more mainstream. Remote working is a force for good. These CFs might ruin it for everyone.
And aibu to think the bullshittting aspect of this will be easier for men to get away with? Here is someone explaining how to get away with underperformance. Apparently if you keep sending your manager emails about how hard you are trying they will stay off your back:

overemployed.com/set-low-expectations-at-your-two-remote-jobs/

CFs going against their contracts doing this, I hope they get sued !!

I did this!! It was tough with clashing meetings, but I had two laptops and two sets of headphones (large ones over the ones that just go in your ears ) and luckily I didn't have a leading role in one of the meetings so was usually on mute until someone asked me a question. Honestly it was a bit mad and sometimes my work really suffered, but the money was well worth it

I now left one of the jobs

And it didn't go against either of my contracts

@XelaM

Are you still doing it? Public or private sector?

@XelaM

I now left one of the jobs

Gah, cross post.

This is another reason whi hinwworking wont last. It can work for a certain sort of ery motivated very contentious person but for too many (the majority?) there are just too many temptations and opportunities to spend the time doing something other than what you're paid for.

And yes, a good manager should be able to manage it but even for good managers it brings additions "issues" that they wouldn't have if everyone was in.

Typos!

If MPs have been allowed to do it why shouldn't others?

If any poster reading this is a payroll person I’d be interested to know how people get away with this in the UK. Do they not need a P45? Would you not have a strange tax code so that the deductions were right which would flag up you had another job?

Someone in my team did this. He was meant to be supporting me in my role and was utterly useless and unreliable. I paid the price, someone else always has to pick up the slack. It was utterly miserable, made my last months before mat leave incredibly hard, I found out why the week before I went off and I hate him for it. Someone always pays, never the cheeky fucker though. His contract wasn't extended but that was too late to give me back that time.

@XelaM

And it didn't go against either of my contracts

With all due respect, that's like saying "my contract doesn't say I'm not allowed to rub a wee-soaked finger around the teabag tin, so it's fine"

You wouldn't get very far with that defence in an employment tribunal!
All employment contracts have unwritten, implied clauses like: fidelity, the duty of trust and confidence.

I think lots of people do this but to a lesser degree. Two FT, salaried roles with the same working hours is the extreme and probably pretty rare.

But lots of people are WFH and giving more time to their 'side hustle' (me included) out of regular working hours.

Being at home has made me realise how much time you waste in an office - interruptions when people wander past and stop for a chat, popping their head in to ask xyz etc.

My productivity is the same WFH but I spend at least two hours a day on my external business and probably another half hour cleaning.

I think there are lots the same, the sensible ones just don't shout about it.

@AuntieJoyce

If any poster reading this is a payroll person I’d be interested to know how people get away with this in the UK. Do they not need a P45? Would you not have a strange tax code so that the deductions were right which would flag up you had another job?

You'd have a different tax code for the second job (I have two legitimate incomes) but the first employer wouldn't know. Plus,payroll knowing and "the employer" noticing is not the same thing.

Can you imagine having two computers on and being on two zoom meetings simultaneously? (Advice is to mute yourself and turn camera off.)

I can barely concentrate when I’m catching up on some emails during a zoom meeting, let alone having another separate zoom meeting happening.

@AuntieJoyce

If any poster reading this is a payroll person I’d be interested to know how people get away with this in the UK. Do they not need a P45? Would you not have a strange tax code so that the deductions were right which would flag up you had another job?

The tax code would change however this probably wouldn't be flagged up elsewhere in large organisations unless they made it their policy.

@XelaM

And it didn't go against either of my contracts

This is definitely bullshit, if you were literally working two jobs at the same time (rather than e.g. one in the day and one in the evening)

I cannot imagine that this is anywhere near the norm.

@maddening

I cannot imagine that this is anywhere near the norm.

Two FT jobs will be unusual, but some freelancing or online selling during work hours will be very common. (I've just done a disciplinary for exactly that).

It happened before WFH, but perhaps less common. I had a colleague who employed someone to do her job (for less than she was being paid obv). She was an exceptionally beautiful woman who was selling services in a male-dominated industry. Easy peasy, except she couldn't be bothered to follow-up with providing the actual post-sale service. So she hired someone to do that and just collected the pay differential - plus a healthy sales bonus - while simultaneously setting up and running her own business. She got away with it for years.

@Spiceup @flashbac thanks. I suppose it goes further. Linked in? People who know you ? Would have to have side job in something unrelated...

@CouldIhaveaword

It happened before WFH, but perhaps less common. I had a colleague who employed someone to do her job (for less than she was being paid obv). She was an exceptionally beautiful woman who was selling services in a male-dominated industry. Easy peasy, except she couldn't be bothered to follow-up with providing the actual post-sale service. So she hired someone to do that and just collected the pay differential - plus a healthy sales bonus - while simultaneously setting up and running her own business. She got away with it for years.

That's rather ingenious. At least the company was getting what they paid for

It's not "CF territory", it's fraud. Companies need to be smart in how they set up contracts and policies so that when they discover staff doing this they have the ability to deal with it properly.

@RealMermaid

It's not "CF territory", it's fraud. Companies need to be smart in how they set up contracts and policies so that when they discover staff doing this they have the ability to deal with it properly.

Contracts are set up to deal with it of course, but it will usually take time before anyone realises it's happening and it's a hassle (and cost) no one needs when it comes to light and you have to sort it out.

@SamosaSammy

I think lots of people do this but to a lesser degree. Two FT, salaried roles with the same working hours is the extreme and probably pretty rare.

But lots of people are WFH and giving more time to their 'side hustle' (me included) out of regular working hours.

Being at home has made me realise how much time you waste in an office - interruptions when people wander past and stop for a chat, popping their head in to ask xyz etc.

My productivity is the same WFH but I spend at least two hours a day on my external business and probably another half hour cleaning.

I think there are lots the same, the sensible ones just don't shout about it.

side hustle

You'll probably say no it's something I started from scratch and make nobbins from grubblings, but side hustle sounds like an mlm

Are you cleaning/hustling when you should be (main job) working, does your main job suffer?