To think The Queen should retire?

[ThinWomansBrain]

I am not a monarchist - but given that we have a Royal Family....
Given her age, understandably failing health, and the recent widowhood, is it be reasonable to think the Queen should step down and retire gracefully?
OK, maybe stay in post until the Jubillee next year, but then hand over.

She said at her coronation that she would serve for her "whole life" and she clearly intends to keep her word. We could do with similar devotion to duty from some other characters in public life.

Also, The Queen is not 'a stranger.' Not to many MANY people

Of course she is. She wouldn't recognise any of us on the street.
She won't touch your hands without gloves - and you are not allowed to touch her!
You are told not to speak to her unless she speaks to you.
She won't put any of us in her will, won't share her enormous fortune with us (despite out taxes keeping her and her family in luxury). She won't answer the phone to you, come to your birthday party or attend your funeral.
She has shown an utterly ruthless streak in the way she ostracised her daughters in law while hiding her son from responding to requests from the US police to help investigate human trafficking.
I really don't get the adulation or admiration of any of this. Family.

@StoneofDestiny

Also, The Queen is not 'a stranger.' Not to many MANY people

Of course she is. She wouldn't recognise any of us on the street.
She won't touch your hands without gloves - and you are not allowed to touch her!
You are told not to speak to her unless she speaks to you.
She won't put any of us in her will, won't share her enormous fortune with us (despite out taxes keeping her and her family in luxury). She won't answer the phone to you, come to your birthday party or attend your funeral.
She has shown an utterly ruthless streak in the way she ostracised her daughters in law while hiding her son from responding to requests from the US police to help investigate human trafficking.
I really don't get the adulation or admiration of any of this. Family.

She sends you a card for your 100th birthday but still has no idea who you are!

She sends you a card for your 100th birthday but still has no idea who you are!

She doesn't even do that, her lacking do it for her.

@StoneofDestiny

Also, The Queen is not 'a stranger.' Not to many MANY people

Of course she is. She wouldn't recognise any of us on the street.
She won't touch your hands without gloves - and you are not allowed to touch her!
You are told not to speak to her unless she speaks to you.
She won't put any of us in her will, won't share her enormous fortune with us (despite out taxes keeping her and her family in luxury). She won't answer the phone to you, come to your birthday party or attend your funeral.
She has shown an utterly ruthless streak in the way she ostracised her daughters in law while hiding her son from responding to requests from the US police to help investigate human trafficking.
I really don't get the adulation or admiration of any of this. Family.

Agreed. I also don't like how she has no maternal bone in her body, how she made her own son Charles shake her hand, AND how her own grandchildren have to stand up and bow/curtsey every single time she walks into a room at home behind closed doors even. She has always seemed very cold to me, cold as ice and without humanity. She has fucked up her own children. I don't see why people say she is respected, I honestly don't see why she deserves respect. She's not a very nice person in my book.

Agreed. I also don't like how she has no maternal bone in her body

as you profess to be astranfet to her, you cannot possibly know this, and you are not considering the whole public evidence (eg happiness in Malta)l. We know the upshot was that she put duty first, but not what her thoughts were about why,

how she made her own son Charles shake her hand

Taken from that documentary? There's footage of that greeting, and the kisses before the handshake

AND how her own grandchildren have to stand up and bow/curtsey every single time she walks into a room at home behind closed doors even

This is inaccurate. The correct form is to bow/curtesy the first time you meet the person that day. Not every time.

The correct form is to bow/curtesy the first time

The correct form for any self-respecting human is to never bow to anyone, particularly those demanding special treatment without a valid reason.

Agreed. I also don't like how she has no maternal bone in her body

Regardless of whether this is true or not (you have no idea) why do you need the queen to be maternal?

I would want the Queen to be maternal totally. Given she is raising the next heir to the throne, do we really want that person fucked up from long distance parenting and lack of love/affection?

Personally I'd prefer a rounded person as Monarch, not someone who's childhood was miserable.

There is a difference between being maternal and being loving and affectionate. Lots of people aren’t maternal but do a perfectly good job of loving and raising well rounded children. Just like lots of people aren’t paternal and manage it too.

There's a possible psychological explanation for the adulation @StoneofDestiny, in Good Housekeeping of all places.

Watching the RF amid all the chaos in the world apparently makes monarchists feel calmer. They are focusing on a vision of familial perfection that physically calms them down.

Disrespectful Republicans and threads like this inflame their amygdalas, apparently.

www.goodhousekeeping.com/uk/lifestyle/a25163969/royal-family-popularity-reason/

And also, the queen doesn’t do any work and has no impact on anyone else in the country, apparently, so why would her heir need to be well rounded to do the same? 🤷‍♀️

I love the Queen. I hope she makes it to her jubilee. She said she would give her life to serve the country and she has.
As for her not knowing who you are, that's the same for celebrities also. To be fair If I had it I wouldn't share my wealth with strangers either.

Mary because we're stuck with then and they're not going anywhere and they have a bearing on the country whether we like it or not

[quote StoneofDestiny]**@justtheretoaskaquestion91

No - she carry's no responsibility and I do not believe she thinks she does either. In fact, none of them have a clue about the drudge of working just to pay bills, the fear of losing your job or the stress of losing it. They have struggled for nothing, earned nothing on their own merits and are pampered and bowed to all their lives. If she thinks she is weighted down by responsibilities it's very insulting to those who genuinely are.[/quote]
Absolutely rubbish. What other old person of her age spends at least three hours a day doing official paperwork or having to entertain people that she can’t stand. Or trudge around boring places when she would no doubt rather be somewhere else? Just because YOU don’t regard that as work doesn’t mean it isn’t and you certainly don’t get to unilaterally state she is insulting us all. I’m working class and do one of the lowest paid jobs going and certainly don’t feel insulted so speak for yourself only please.

@Roussette

Mary because we're stuck with then and they're not going anywhere and they have a bearing on the country whether we like it or not

Yeah, but she doesn’t need to be maternal.

Which is why we have Charles

We would have Charles whether she was maternal or not.

I know that! Lol

To be fair If I had it I wouldn't share my wealth with strangers either.

If you earned it, fair enough. If you scrounged it off the taxpayers, with what kind of brass nerve would you then demand they kiss your backside for funding your lifestyle?

What other old person of her age spends at least three hours a day doing official paperwork or having to entertain people that she can’t stand.

What makes you believe this shit? The Daily Mail?

I think the Queen remembers the strain placed on her father by his brother's abdication and she would not countenance abdication for herself. Whatever she thinks of Charles or any of the others privately, she is Queen for the rest of her life and what happens after that is a new chapter, not before. Perfectly reasonable for her to do fewer public engagements and have the younger generations do more, but she retains the throne.

@monkeysox

I think she has died and they haven't told us. They didn't tell us she'd been in hospital....

Why would “they” do this? What possible purpose is there to pretend that an elderly lady cannot die? How long do you expect them to keep up the con?

@EdithWeston

If she wants to die as Queen then that's her prerogative

YY - I can't quite imagine here as HRH Duchess of Somewhere

(No, she wouldn't be Queen Mother, because that's an alternate title for Dowager Queen and only available to widowed Queens Consort)

You realise that all these “rules” are just made up and they can make them just as arbitrarily?

I think the Queen remembers the strain placed on her father by his brother's abdication and she would not countenance abdication for herself.

It’s really not the same though. Charles is the heir and would become King in due course anyway. He has been prepared for the role his whole life as she was. Her abdication in his favour would not place any strain on him, or anyone else.