Fed up with unvaccinated colleague isolating

[Peevedcolleague]

Name changed 'cos I'll probably get slated but aibu to be pissed off about a colleague self isolating yet again while the rest of us have to carry on and pick up the pieces?

A new colleague chose not to be jabbed and is now facing numerous isolation periods at home on full pay where the rest of us have to carry on and cover her workload. Nature of the job means she's likely to be a close contact fairly regularly.

Even if she changed her mind and gets jabbed tomorrow, it'll be 10 weeks minimum before she's exempt from isolation so this could happen several more times yet.

Aibu to feel resentful and wish she bloody well got jabbed like the rest of us?

@SamosaSammy

All the vitriol. So unnecessary.

I really don't care so you just as well save your breath.

Personally I find it's only a certain type of person who clearly gets so would up and aggressive towards those who've decided not to vaccinate.

The type of controlling ego maniac that needs to stamp their little feet in frustration that someone else didn't make the exact same choice that they themselves deemed best.

Get on with you 😂 People are different. Your right to free choice is no more deserved than mine.

Personally I think it takes a certain type of selfish wanker to happily enjoy the benefits of living in a society whilst accepting none of the responsibilities, but that's just me.

@SusieBob

"How about westopputting people into boxes?"

How about if you don't like being called an anti-vaxxer, stop telling everyone you haven't been jabbed and stop encouraging people who have done the same? If the shoe fits.

I have told my story on MN a few times, and I had someone PM saying they had the same experience, and also another on the board saying a relative was also not having the jab for the same reason as me. By me talking about it, I felt less alone, and it actually helped my mental health. But yeah. shut me down, call me names etc. I thought I left that shit behind at a school.

Yabu
Be angry at the rule makers not your colleague for following them… the vaccinated will be spreading it and not isolating under these illogical rules which is also a worry!

Definitely not just you @SusieBob. There are many that clearly feel the same...but luckily for us lepers they're usually as cowardly as they are aggressive and vocal so they generally keep their insults to the safety of the Internet 🤷🏻‍♀️

I would define medical / clinical reasons for not being vaccinated as being advised by a doctor or consultant that taking the vaccine would place you at risk and that for you vaccination is contraindicated.

@SamosaSammy

Definitely not just you *@SusieBob*. There are many that clearly feel the same...but luckily for us lepers they're usually as cowardly as they are aggressive and vocal so they generally keep their insults to the safety of the Internet 🤷🏻‍♀️

I make my views quite clear in everyday life.

However I don't have antivaxxers in my social circle.

Those calling for people to be sacked etc without the vaccine or to be put on unpaid leave.. you do realise that this will mean those families will be supported by the benefits system in many cases and therefore YOU will be paying for their basics.

@Grapewrath

Those calling for people to be sacked etc without the vaccine or to be put on unpaid leave.. you do realise that this will mean those families will be supported by the benefits system in many cases and therefore YOU will be paying for their basics.

Oh, they would want them to be denied benefits too.

Starve their kids- that’ll teach them

@Grapewrath

Starve their kids- that’ll teach them

Why would their kids starve?

I'm triple vaccinated. If I'm a close contact I still have to isolate during work hours and can't go in. Nhs. So if the vaccine was that good we'd be allowed in but it's not and still risk of transmission. I don't agree with people being forced in to having it. It is a choice. You don't know anyone's circumstances fully to understand why they don't want it.

Why would their kids starve? hmm

How can you feed your kids on zero income?

YABU.
I’m double jabbed, classes aa vulnerable and work in an education setting so understand the importance of being fully staffed. We do have staff that have chosen not to be vaccinated and I don’t judge them for their decision whatsoever.
I often question whether or not I made the right decision, because since I received both jabs I seem to be picking up every cold, virus and bug that’s floating around and it takes me longer to get over it. Now, seen as I’m questioning my decision, I’m not about to start judging those who have decided to go without.
I hate the fact that, it’s now turning into a “them and us”. No one should be guilt tripped into getting the vaccine when we still don’t know enough about it.

@chickywoo

I think that workplaces are still facing lots of disruption regardless of if people are vaccinated, I’m fully vaccinated and booster too, (also had covid a couple of months after my 2nd vaccine) But recently I’ve been called out of work a few times due to my children having ‘symptoms’ ones that only come out at school seemingly and having to pick them up take them for a test then isolating ( I don’t have to isolate but obvs can’t leave them home alone ) until result comes, negative every time. It’s really frustrating esp for the patients on our already backlogged waiting list that I have to cancel at the last minute. The lasting effect of the pandemic is affecting all of our lives significantly, is good to get things off your chest but I feel that the argument re mandatory vaccines is something that has been pushed upon us by the government to turn against each other and to ostracise those exercising their rights to make their own decisions about their own health. The strong views on here are really worrying, since when were we so invested in a complete strangers life choices? The enforcement of the covid vaccine in NHS staff will cause a staffing crisis, oh wait we’ve already got a staffing crisis and this will make it much worse, If Myself of a relative needed medical attention I’d rather receive it from an unvaccinated doctor or nurse than none at all! And anyway if the vaccine is so amazingly effective as some of the posters on here say it is, we’ve got nothing to worry about coming in to contact with unvaccinated people have we?

Most sensible message yet. It really is so worrying to see this behaviour and the segregation it can lead to.

I know a few medical staff who don’t voice their concerns about vaccine but are so stressed about having to decide to take a vaccine they don’t believe in or lose their job they studied for years and years for. These are quite senior consultants so not the twats some of you refer to.

Why is she self isolating

What difference would it make to her self isolating if she is vaccinated or not ?

These are quite senior consultants

Of course they are

@SamosaSammy

Definitely not just you *@SusieBob*. There are many that clearly feel the same...but luckily for us lepers they're usually as cowardly as they are aggressive and vocal so they generally keep their insults to the safety of the Internet 🤷🏻‍♀️

Aw bless, is someone being mean on the Web? Didums.

Aw bless, is someone being mean on the Web? Didums

I hope you don't have a teen child who has ever experienced online bullying. The results can be catastrophic.

@JesusIsAnyNameFree

These are quite senior consultants

Of course they are

Well played. 😁

All of the doctors I work with would have knocked over their grandmother to get to the front of the queue for the vaccine.

All the vitriol aimed at this mythical person OP is frothing about... maybe actually wish that she remains well and does not come down with severe Covid. Have not seen a single comment say anything like that at all.
But that seems like big ask for people who genuinely believe that unvaccinated people deserve whatever comes to them.

@TheKeatingFive

Great. I'm not 100% reassured by "reasonably well understood" however.

What's the alternative though?

If everyone took your view where would we be? Perpetual lockdown? Healthcare totally overwhelmed and deaths sky rocketing? Which would you prefer?

No one can guarantee you that the vaccine is 100%, but that has to be assessed against the alternative, which is very high levels of severe covid that our hospitals can't cope with.

Pick any holes in the vaccine you like, but how do you propose living in a world where everyone makes the same choices as you?

And why should other people suffer restricted healthcare and/or restricted freedom because of your choices?

It's not all that clear that they are, though.

Uptake for covid vaccines has been really high in many places, compared to what we see with other vaccines. It's had a fairly good result it seems for keeping people out of hospital, but there is still a good amount of transmission. It's not at all clear that another 10% would change that much, or that vaccinating kids would, as they are very low risk in any case.

So that has to be weighed against two things. One being that attempts to force people to vaccinate are driving a lot of push-back. People see discussions like this where there is no acknowledgement that it is a real imposition on their medical rights, or that it's perfectly sensible to be wary of new drugs (many doctors are.) And they don't think they are in good faith.

The other is as soon as you start setting precedents like this, it is not an isolated thing. The last year has seen incredible inroads in basic civil liberties - bodily autonomy, the right to free movement, the right to free association and to congregate. From the media and internet platforms we are also seeing significant censoring of information - Instagram has censored the Cochran Group for giving what they are calling misinformation about covid!

These are the foundational freedoms of liberal democracy. So how do you weigh them against the last 10% vaccinated, or even against the normal course of a disease? If covid were a permanent part of the landscape, would that justify permanent measures, as countries like China are attempting?

@LoveGrooveDanceParty

Why does everyone pop up on these thread and say ‘you don’t know the reason why X isn’t vaccinated’.

This suggests all unvaccinated people would get vaccinated, if they could.

When we know FULL WELL, there’s a significant cohort of people who just do not want to because they don’t believe in vaccines.

Many of the people who have decided not to get it aren't against vaccinations altogether. If that's the assumption you are using to figure out their thinking, you're just wrong.

Here's a good article from the CBC on why people decide not to get it - and I'll point out that the CBC editorial policy is pretty strongly to encourage vaccination.

www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/we-are-not-anti-vaxxers-concerns-over-side-effects-research-among-main-reasons-some-canadians-are-not-getting-covid-19-vaccine-1.5545896

Characterizing these people as anti-science and anti-vaxxers is incorrect, and they know it's incorrect. Trying to indirectly force people through workplace requirements, even for people in low risk situations, isn't going to do a damn thing to convince them. Quite the opposite.

@TheKeatingFive

These people are perfectly happy to enjoy the benefits to society that we have gained from the responsible majority getting jabbed of course.

Exactly

Where would we be if everyone decided they didn't want the 'experimental vaccine'? Would they be happy to live in perpetual lockdown?

If everyone decided that, are you suggesting the state should foce them?

Because if everyone decided that, I'd suggest firstly the state had no mandate to do any such thing, and secondly they should likely be asking themselves why no one wants to do it.

"Perpetual lockdown" wouldn't necessarily be the appropriate approach either.

But LobsterNapkin, who do you think would keep the economy from collapse if everyone decided they understood more than the scientists and doctors?

If everyone decided that, are you suggesting the state should foce them?

No, I'm asking what those not taking the vaccine think should have happened if others weren't prepared to take risks so they could piggyback off the benefits.

If not perpetual lockdown, what?