Fed up with unvaccinated colleague isolating

[Peevedcolleague]

Name changed 'cos I'll probably get slated but aibu to be pissed off about a colleague self isolating yet again while the rest of us have to carry on and pick up the pieces?

A new colleague chose not to be jabbed and is now facing numerous isolation periods at home on full pay where the rest of us have to carry on and cover her workload. Nature of the job means she's likely to be a close contact fairly regularly.

Even if she changed her mind and gets jabbed tomorrow, it'll be 10 weeks minimum before she's exempt from isolation so this could happen several more times yet.

Aibu to feel resentful and wish she bloody well got jabbed like the rest of us?

Your colleague has probably done her research

It's by the by, but this is such a stupid statement. I doubt her colleague is an immunologist, so by 'doing her research' no doubt you mean trawled a few unverifiable and unreliable sites on the internet. That's not doing 'research' that's just having access to google.

@SusieBob

" not anti-vaxx, but have not had the jab either"

Makes as much sense as calling myself anti-car and ordering myself a ferrari.

How is someone who has had all vaccines (and I was working in theatres so had Hep B etc too) but not the Covid, one anti-vaxx?

Am I a vegetarian if I eat all meat except pork?
How am I anti-vaxx if I agree with them?
As I said upthread, I know someone who states she does not believe in the Covid vaccine at all, but she had it so she could stay in her job. So anti-vaxx sentiment, but she had the jab?
How about we stop putting people into boxes?

And anyway if the vaccine is so amazingly effective as some of the posters on here say it is, we’ve got nothing to worry about coming in to contact with unvaccinated people have we?

Can you quote the posts that have suggested this, please? Or are you referring to other threads.

I think most people know very well that the vaccines prevent the majority of infections (but a lower majority now than with alpha and Wuhan) but that they are in no way sterilising.

I find this such an odd straw man in the absence of anyone actually claiming that the vaccines are fully protective against infection.

As far as I'm concerned, those who refuse the vaccine without a clinical reason not to be vaccinated are antivaxxers.

I have every concern for people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons but no time at all for those who refuse it.

not anti-vaxx, but have not had the jab either

Makes as much sense as calling myself anti-car and ordering myself a ferrari

Not really. The equivalent would be 'I'm not anti-car but I don't have a car myself'. Perfectly reasonable.

I'm another that's not an 'antivaxxer' but am unvaccinated. I'm not stupid or ignorant and if other people choose to have it, good for them. Personally, I've reviewed the pros, cons and stats and have decided I'm comfortable with the level of risk remaining uncaccinated brings and would prefer that.

If anyone else has a problem with me making a decision about my body I don't much care to be honest.

Personally, I've reviewed the pros, cons and stats and have decided I'm comfortable with the level of risk remaining uncaccinated brings and would prefer that.

But if everyone took your view, where would we be?

Lockdown for the foreseeable? Are you okay with that?

@TheKeatingFive but the health system is already overwhelmed in general and has been for many years, so do we apply the same mandates to every condition in which someone may become seriously ill, maybe ban the sale of tobacco and alcohol to cut out the amount of people with health problems related to this, should we install a compulsory hour of exercise a day into people’s lives to help keep their blood pressure stable, maybe enforce a mandatory statin? shall we force people to take medication when they don’t want to so they don’t end up in hospital being seriously ill, maybe we should make the flu jab mandatory too so we don’t have any of those pesky flu ridden people taking up
Hospital beds, how far do we take it?

@TheKeatingFive

Personally, I've reviewed the pros, cons and stats and have decided I'm comfortable with the level of risk remaining uncaccinated brings and would prefer that.

But if everyone took your view, where would we be?

Lockdown for the foreseeable? Are you okay with that?

No point in asking people like that to consider the implications for wider society.

@ilovesooty

As far as I'm concerned, those who refuse the vaccine without a clinical reason not to be vaccinated are antivaxxers.

I have every concern for people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons but no time at all for those who refuse it.

What do you class as clinical? A previous allergic reaction? Being told it is unsafe by a consultant? How about people with health anxiety, or a phobia? Genuine worries about side effects? You could say that they are not clinical reasons to not get the vaccine, but for people who are dealing with those reasons... it is very real, and very frightening. I don't think calling them selfish, saying you have no time for them, referring to them as anti-vaxxer etc is helpful at all. If anything, you are just going to alienate them, and push them towards actual anti-vaxxers. I fall into the above camp, and I have been shown nothing but vitriol and name calling by people who have had the jab. How is that actually going to help me get the strength to go and get it?

@SamosaSammy

not anti-vaxx, but have not had the jab either

Makes as much sense as calling myself anti-car and ordering myself a ferrari

Not really. The equivalent would be 'I'm not anti-car but I don't have a car myself'. Perfectly reasonable.

I'm another that's not an 'antivaxxer' but am unvaccinated. I'm not stupid or ignorant and if other people choose to have it, good for them. Personally, I've reviewed the pros, cons and stats and have decided I'm comfortable with the level of risk remaining uncaccinated brings and would prefer that.

If anyone else has a problem with me making a decision about my body I don't much care to be honest.

Bet you are happy to enjoy the current state of relative normality we are enjoying thanks to everyone else getting the jab though, aren't you?

I can't take anyone seriously who claims to have weighed things up and decided against getting the vaccination given the overwhelming weight of evidence there is in favour of it.

Bet you are happy to enjoy the current state of relative normality we are enjoying thanks to everyone else getting the jab though, aren't you

Other people's choices aren't my responsibility.

Yes, very happy to get back to normal though. Who wouldn't be?

"How about westopputting people into boxes?"

How about if you don't like being called an anti-vaxxer, stop telling everyone you haven't been jabbed and stop encouraging people who have done the same? If the shoe fits.

but the health system is already overwhelmed in general and has been for many years

And covid just blew the problems out of the water. Are you arguing that covid didn't make a bad situation infinitely worse? Knock me out if so.

so do we apply the same mandates to every condition in which someone may become seriously ill, maybe ban the sale of tobacco and alcohol to cut out the amount of people with health problems related to this

I don't actually think this is totally outrageous. In a world where healthcare is under serious pressure I think we will need to move to a model where people are expected to take a lot more responsibility for their health.

However, covid is different to other instances where people fail to take responsibility in two ways.

Firstly, our healthcare system isn't set up for it so it has the potential to totally overwhelm the system in a way that smoking/alcohol abuse doesn't. Secondly, the impact is hugely mitigated by taking two jabs, which is much more straightforward than fixing the other issues.

But if everyone took your view, where would we be? Lockdown for the foreseeable? Are you okay with that?

We'll never know will we? I don't beat myself up with endless whataboutery though, it would be fairly pointless.

Yes, very happy to get back to normal though.

If everyone made the same choice as you we wouldn't be able to

@Whitefire

Thank you so much for your acknowledgement of my DD being vaccine injured.

I can't tell you how much that means to me.

I really don't like this current climate either and I despair at how divisive this issue has become. I don't think it is pleasant or helpful and is not conducive to sensible reasoned discourse around how best to move forward for EVERYONE with regards to how to manage the current situation.

@SamosaSammy

Bet you are happy to enjoy the current state of relative normality we are enjoying thanks to everyone else getting the jab though, aren't you

Other people's choices aren't my responsibility.

Yes, very happy to get back to normal though. Who wouldn't be?

So it's just other people who are responsible for you and your health. Gotcha.

People like you make me hope we follow Austria's lead.

We'll never know will we?

Don't be disingenuous, of course you know. The data is totally clear about the impact of the vaccinated versus unvaccinated on the health service

@SamosaSammy

Bet you are happy to enjoy the current state of relative normality we are enjoying thanks to everyone else getting the jab though, aren't you

Other people's choices aren't my responsibility.

Yes, very happy to get back to normal though. Who wouldn't be?

Obviously what I said in my last post was right. Just self absorbed as many vaccine refusers are.

All the vitriol. So unnecessary.

I really don't care so you just as well save your breath.

Personally I find it's only a certain type of person who clearly gets so would up and aggressive towards those who've decided not to vaccinate.

The type of controlling ego maniac that needs to stamp their little feet in frustration that someone else didn't make the exact same choice that they themselves deemed best.

Get on with you 😂 People are different. Your right to free choice is no more deserved than mine.

All the vitriol. So unnecessary.

I notice you aren't addressing people's points

Be pissed off at HR , OP.

Don't be so fucking ridiculous. You might as well say blame the Receptionist. HR interpret employment and statutory laws to inform the Employer. They don't although if wishing made it so make the laws or even company policy.

I can assure you if they did they wouldn't need to sit patiently whilst winning an Oscar for Best Performance in the Face of FFS listening yet another lead swinging armchair scientist came up with yet another load of bollyeaux about having to isolate because they've not been vaccinated.

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I fully understand the itu situation, but I feel that what you’re saying is that those people in itu that are unvaccinated don’t deserve to be there, which is a worrying attitude especially from a health care professional.
Who knows what their reasons for being unvaccinated are.
I’ve come across patients who haven’t had it for reasons such as, they were so scared of being ill from the side effects due to having underlying conditions that whilst they were worrying to have it or not they actually got covid!
Another who was bedbound and missed appt for when roving teams were going out to give at home, and then gp surgery refused to
Rearrange - I had to take up the issue with ccg on their behalf.
A Pregnant women who has conceived after 3 miscarriages worried sick about anything that would affect her baby/pregnancy.
do you know the reason that that ventilated patient in front of you didn’t have their vaccine? Is it fair that you want to swap them for a more ‘deserving’ patient?

I really don't care

Stunningly obvious.