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Husband and work

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Werk · 10/11/2021 18:27

I need perspective here.

Like many families we have the set up that my husband is the breadwinner and I am the part time worker.

my husband is a workaholic.

He does nothing else during the week. He does nothing with me or the DC. Monday to Friday all of our lives revolve around his job. He sees us for half an hour in the morning and then scuttles off to his office (he is still mainly working from home). He doesn't even tell me if he is joining us for dinner, even though he is upstairs (no one is allowed to interrupt him). I often get messages telling me not to bring the DC straight home from school as he has an important call that must not be disturbed. This is ok when the weather is nice but not so good now.

He seems to have created this life that his job is the centre and we all have to bow down to the work god.

We never really had a discussion about this. When I had my eldest I was all set to go back to work FT and hire a nanny. DH was really against this. I also had "the fear" about going back to work after maternity leave (that DH refused to share, it was new back then) and I think he saw that weakness to convince me to ask for PT hours instead. I distinctly remember suggesting that rather than me working 3 days we should both do 4. He said it would be impossible for him and never asked his employer. So, I ended up going back PT.
It basically ended my career (solicitor) and I ended up leaving and taking a job with my local authority - it is local, not highly paid but flexible and I get a decent pension. I had a second child.
I get to take and collect the DC from school each day. TBH the job has been perfect whilst having young children. However, there isn't much in the way of progression and I am a bit fed up of my job. I have been there 6 years.

I have been looking around for new jobs, nothing part time ever seems to be advertised and recruiters aren't interested in part time. I have had a couple of interviews and I was offered one role but it would have meant leaving the DC at breakfast club at 7.30am and collecting them at 6.30pm 5 days a week. I know other people do it but I think it will be a big adjustment, especially for my youngest.

In the meantime, my husband has excelled in his career and has massively increased his pay. We have bought a new house and increased expenditure as a result.

When we discussed me taking the job with a view to perhaps asking for part time in a few months and I again suggested that we both ask for 4 days - this seems fairest to me and also would not impact our finances. DC would only then need to have long childcare days 3 days a week.

He refuses to ask for part time.
He says that he would rather just quit and be a SAHP (which would be disastrous financially as we need his higher income).
He seems keen to quit. I find it a little laughable as he never cooks or cleans and rarely manages to empty the washing machine on the same day he loads it.

On the one hand I think it would be good for him to spend more time with the DC but then on the other I don't think it has to be all or nothing. He seems to think he has to work in this extreme way or not at all.

The irony is he thinks me working part time is perfectly acceptable.

Am I being unreasonable here? He makes me feel that I am.

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IntermittentParps · 11/11/2021 09:02

He doesn't even tell me if he is joining us for dinner
So don't cater for him.

I often get messages telling me not to bring the DC straight home from school as he has an important call that must not be disturbed.
Who does he think he is? Have you asked him that?

You need a full and frank conversation, OP.

thelegohooverer · 11/11/2021 09:22

How did you both come to a decision to buy a bigger house? Between that and the instructions to stay out, I’m wondering where your voice is in this relationship.

Everything revolves around him. He has an important job and cannot be disturbed. His extra earnings have been ploughed into a higher status house and higher expenditure. All feeding his ego.

In a family there are three types of work that keep things afloat - paid work, childcare and housework. Not everyone wants to do all 3 so generally some compromise is made - if both parents work outside the home they pay for childcare and cleaning. But instead of lifting the burden, he’s investing in his image.

You’re now in a situation where you can’t maintain your home and lifestyle if he quits. So your career has been put firmly at the bottom of the priority list.

You could downsize. I know that’s dramatic but if you get divorced you’ll be selling and downsizing anyway, so maybe it’s something to consider to keep your marriage.

But first I think you should look at childcare carefully. A nanny or childminder might suit you better. Good qualified childcare trumps a useless parent (and Disney dad is the definition of useless) so your dream of splitting childcare between you is probably not in their best interests.

But you need to think differently about finances. It’s not up to you alone to shoulder the financial costs of childcare and cleaning, so that his earnings can be channelled into status symbols.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 11/11/2021 09:26

@Werk

He complains all of the time about work. He is a martyr. Every suggestion I make to lighten his load is refused. Except me doing everything around the house - he has welcomed this! He won't take time off - parental leave etc. He won't reduce his hours. He won't look for another job. It is work like this or quit altogether.

He is around all weekend and dotes on the DC then. He is a complete Disney dad at the weekend.

How very convenient for him....

He's a bully.

He just does the nice bits... And you do EVERYTHING ELSE, that he doesn't fancy...

You've offered him loads of solutions... He refuses them... So he can either be the absolute top of his career... Or languishes at home for ever....
Oh and he's a mysogynist isn't he... It doesn't matter that your career suffers and the kids hAve ea disengaged father.

It's really damaging for the kids... What is it teaching them about women and theur roles?

Do you want this for them?

And why on earth are you 'obeying' his commands to stay out of the house with the kids?! Confused.

You need to have a really to the point conversation....

Work out before what your options are...

Personally I could not lice with someone who thought so little of me and the kids...

They, and you, deserve more.

PS I'm the daughter of a father like this. Our relationship never recovered

RealBecca · 11/11/2021 09:35

His all or nothing attitude is about control.

Each parent can take something like 18 weeks unpaid per child so id tell him you want to try that to test the SAHP..bet my last pound he says it has to be that he resigns or nothing.

Im really sorry you are going through this, you deserve better x

gelatodipistacchio · 11/11/2021 09:49

He is being massively unreasonable

cstaff · 11/11/2021 10:09

A friend of mine changed his hours to a 4 day week and so did his dp when their child was born. She only needs 3 days childcare because they both made a sacrifice for their little girl. It seems to have worked out well and definitely no reason why your dh couldn't do something similar.

MatildaTheCat · 11/11/2021 10:11

Forget trying to change him and just focus on how to improve your own situation. You’ve had lots of advice on here. It’s very sad he won’t support you in this but you’re flogging a dead horse trying to make him.

Plutonium7000 · 11/11/2021 10:12

Sorry....why does he get to make all the decisions? Is he your boss? Just make a decision to suit you, make it happen and he'll have to get on with it. It's fine to put the kids in childcare if you need to.nits fine to hire a nanny/cleaner/whatever. Just do it

Holdingontonothing · 11/11/2021 10:57

@cstaff

A friend of mine changed his hours to a 4 day week and so did his dp when their child was born. She only needs 3 days childcare because they both made a sacrifice for their little girl. It seems to have worked out well and definitely no reason why your dh couldn't do something similar.
Sadly not all companies and industries are as progressive in their thinking, as I and a couple of other pp have said, it can sometimes be hugely detrimental. Not tight, but it happens.

So I guess it's a question for the OP of is this a problem imposed (directly or indirectly) by her DH's work environment or is it his choice? Very different considerations depending on that important fact.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 11/11/2021 11:27

My guess is he's hasn't /won't have asked his company...

My bet? He's more than happy to keep the status quo... Wifey doing all the tedious tasks and keeping the house going... He parashutes in to the weekend to do all the fun stuff.....

Wjat an utterly shit role model to their sons...

They're not going to grow up thinking women are their slaves......Hmm

Floundery · 11/11/2021 11:32

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Doubledoorsontogarden · 11/11/2021 13:18

I’m in a high paid job, I couldn’t do it 4 days a week, so I would t ask my employer either. Is he client facing? 4 days is your haylcon but how do employers deal with it?

PussyCatEatingPigsInBlankets · 11/11/2021 14:09

He sees us for half an hour in the morning and then scuttles off to his office (he is still mainly working from home). He doesn't even tell me if he is joining us for dinner, even though he is upstairs (no one is allowed to interrupt him). I often get messages telling me not to bring the DC straight home from school as he has an important call that must not be disturbed.

  1. Don't respond to his petulant messages about "keeping quiet" - he knows when you bring the kids home and will have to be more organised with his meetings. tough shit if he can hear a child being a child
  2. Don't cook dinner for him, just eat your evening meal with the kids. He can ponce about in the kitchen making himself some toast dinner when he can be bothered.
  3. Find a position that works FOR YOU. The kids will be fine in childcare, hey, they might prefer it to being told to be quiet in their own home.

He's very needy when it comes to time/space/quiet - why doesn't he go to the office?

arethereanyleftatall · 11/11/2021 14:13

He sounds like a completely selfish arsehole.

Werk · 11/11/2021 14:39

@Floundery

Is he also a solicitor OP? He is giving me law firm partner swinging dick vibes.

I am also a solicitor. I only have the one DC but he has substantial AN. Please do think about going in-house. My job is absolutely my lifeline - the right in-house job is flexible and supportive, I am happier than I ever was as a jobbing PP lawyer.

He is an accountant but works for a FTSE100 company.

I already work flexibly but for a local authority. The work is hard and the pay is low. Morale is through the floor. I am not sure whether I could even get an in house job.

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Werk · 11/11/2021 14:43

@Doubledoorsontogarden

I’m in a high paid job, I couldn’t do it 4 days a week, so I would t ask my employer either. Is he client facing? 4 days is your haylcon but how do employers deal with it?
That's the problem really, his job is all consuming and so 4 days probably wouldn't work in terms of always having the same day off or being able to log off at 4pm but he is senior enough that he sets the deadlines and meetings. I think he is just deeply, deeply disorganised and bad at time management.

He is also very bad at delegating at work and so I think he takes on too much.

His boss is the CFO of a FTSE100 and seems to work 24/7 - he does not respect weekends. DH changed his personal mobile number and turns his work phone off at weekends though. His boss seems to have got the message.

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33goingon64 · 11/11/2021 15:03

Sounds like an exaggerated version of my DH. He is focused on work to the detriment of almost everything else from 7.30am until 6 or 7pm. He doesn't even say goodbye when DC go to school or look up when they get home, though he works in the front room. I prepare all meals in the week and do all washing up, laundry etc.

But he does then put DC to bed most nights and will do jobs at weekend and cooks at weekend. I work at home too but PT and don't expect him to cook or do laundry or school pick up in general.

But if I need him to do the odd thing I feel like I have to apply in writing first! He is often on calls when DC get home from school and we understand the need to not make lots of noise - but he's never asked me to not bring DC home! He'd get short shrift if he did, I can tell you!

Foolsrule · 11/11/2021 15:06

Oh my goodness, another man who’s screwed over his wife. It’s maddening!

girlmom21 · 11/11/2021 15:07

Accountancy is one of the most flexible professions I can think of.

If your DH is that senior in a FTSE 100 company there will be some very talented accountants who report into him.

If his workload is that intense he needs to address his people management as well as his time management. If he insists neither of those are the issue they need a recruitment drive.

Chippymunks · 11/11/2021 15:09

Werk tell him he needs to learn to delegate if he wants to turn his job from an important job to a very important job. He needs to work smart not work so hard.

MollysDolly · 11/11/2021 15:20

His boss is the CFO of a FTSE100 and seems to work 24/7 - he does not respect weekends. DH changed his personal mobile number and turns his work phone off at weekends though. His boss seems to have got the message.

Right, so he's not the top dog, he's the group accountant? Company accountant? Operations manager? I was the group accountant working for the CFO at a plc, at my last full time role before DS1. I was quite busy because we were quite small. But at that level, did 9-5, rarely past that. Maybe 4 to 5 trips to international sites each year. In a company that size, your DH should have a multitude of people to delegate too. It also sounds like the CFO lives for his work and nothing else, and is looking for "company" as he works all hours of the day. I bet the other people that report into him aren't working like pack horses at the expense of their families. But your DH allows it, so the CFO focuses on good old "Larry" who's always there to answer his call. DH needs to manage this better. Far better.

luckylavender · 11/11/2021 15:22

@Flurbegurb - that's not how works works.

lentilsforever · 11/11/2021 15:23

Op

You’re children go to private school and you live in London

It seems to me your family has a life that needs a high salary, a very high salary

Unfortunately that comes with downsides

Floundery · 11/11/2021 16:54

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Flurbegurb · 11/11/2021 16:59

[quote luckylavender]@Flurbegurb - that's not how works works.[/quote]
Gosh you're so right. There's not these things called offices, or office space rental, or coffee shops Halloween Wink

Only time DH or I get an empty house for work calls is for job interviews, and his last one we didn't even bother then.

But you're right, with your vast knowledge of how "work works".