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Husband and work

130 replies

Werk · 10/11/2021 18:27

I need perspective here.

Like many families we have the set up that my husband is the breadwinner and I am the part time worker.

my husband is a workaholic.

He does nothing else during the week. He does nothing with me or the DC. Monday to Friday all of our lives revolve around his job. He sees us for half an hour in the morning and then scuttles off to his office (he is still mainly working from home). He doesn't even tell me if he is joining us for dinner, even though he is upstairs (no one is allowed to interrupt him). I often get messages telling me not to bring the DC straight home from school as he has an important call that must not be disturbed. This is ok when the weather is nice but not so good now.

He seems to have created this life that his job is the centre and we all have to bow down to the work god.

We never really had a discussion about this. When I had my eldest I was all set to go back to work FT and hire a nanny. DH was really against this. I also had "the fear" about going back to work after maternity leave (that DH refused to share, it was new back then) and I think he saw that weakness to convince me to ask for PT hours instead. I distinctly remember suggesting that rather than me working 3 days we should both do 4. He said it would be impossible for him and never asked his employer. So, I ended up going back PT.
It basically ended my career (solicitor) and I ended up leaving and taking a job with my local authority - it is local, not highly paid but flexible and I get a decent pension. I had a second child.
I get to take and collect the DC from school each day. TBH the job has been perfect whilst having young children. However, there isn't much in the way of progression and I am a bit fed up of my job. I have been there 6 years.

I have been looking around for new jobs, nothing part time ever seems to be advertised and recruiters aren't interested in part time. I have had a couple of interviews and I was offered one role but it would have meant leaving the DC at breakfast club at 7.30am and collecting them at 6.30pm 5 days a week. I know other people do it but I think it will be a big adjustment, especially for my youngest.

In the meantime, my husband has excelled in his career and has massively increased his pay. We have bought a new house and increased expenditure as a result.

When we discussed me taking the job with a view to perhaps asking for part time in a few months and I again suggested that we both ask for 4 days - this seems fairest to me and also would not impact our finances. DC would only then need to have long childcare days 3 days a week.

He refuses to ask for part time.
He says that he would rather just quit and be a SAHP (which would be disastrous financially as we need his higher income).
He seems keen to quit. I find it a little laughable as he never cooks or cleans and rarely manages to empty the washing machine on the same day he loads it.

On the one hand I think it would be good for him to spend more time with the DC but then on the other I don't think it has to be all or nothing. He seems to think he has to work in this extreme way or not at all.

The irony is he thinks me working part time is perfectly acceptable.

Am I being unreasonable here? He makes me feel that I am.

OP posts:
dangermouseisace · 10/11/2021 20:55

He won’t do it. He wouldn’t be able to cope with the drop in “status”. That and he wouldn’t be able to manage having no control over the little humans who don’t behave as adults do.

I had one of these husbands once. He’s an ex now, and is more involved now that he has to be.

Dixiechickonhols · 10/11/2021 23:05

You need a proper conversation. Stop pandering. Come home. If he’s not let you know re dinner have the 3 of you eat at time you like.
If you are ambitious apply for jobs you want. If he’s wfh he can drop them off.
Is your linked in up to date. I’ve had a few approaches recently- local authority skills are transferable recent one was from nhs trust. So think outside box. I’ve also had one from local authority in nice part of country / all else fails you could leave him to it and go and live by sea!

timeisnotaline · 11/11/2021 01:50

Personally I’d call his bluff, with one condition. He takes the dc to school, picks them up cooks dinner cleans up does a load of washing and gets them to bed, then he can quit his job. I’d get a real estate agent in ASAP to value the house, make sure dh knows. He’s trying to manipulate you into shutting up and getting on with the drudgery. So having the house valued is a good move either way.

violetbunny · 11/11/2021 01:56

It sounds less like he is "working from home", and more like you are all trying to "home from his work"....

SandyY2K · 11/11/2021 04:35

He is around all weekend and dotes on the DC then. He is a complete Disney dad at the weekend

Start taking a few weekends away on your own and leave him to be 100% with the kids. It's easy doing it when you're around.

Also, I suggest hiring a cleaner to come out of the joint income lighten the load for yourself and if necessary an after school childminder. Women ate often letting their careers take a backseat.

Are you looking for a different area of law to practice? I'm wondering what different setting you'd be interested in.

Curiosity101 · 11/11/2021 04:53

If he really does need quiet for his after school meetings then suggest a noise cancelling call center type head set, there's literally hundreds of styles available.

I can personally recommend Jabra Evolve2 85 380a UC Stereo Headset or Jabra Evolve 75 UC Stereo Wireless Bluetooth Headset.

Me and my husband share an office and are able to take calls literally next to eachother without disturbing one another or being picked up by each others microphones.

Admittedly I don't think the issue is house noise... It's his self importance... But this would stop him from complaining about the noise.

coffy11 · 11/11/2021 04:56

wow he's really had his way hasn't he? Time for you to tell him you're going back to work fulltime to focus on your career, he has no say in it.

HeartvsBrain · 11/11/2021 05:48

What are his good points please OP (and may I suggest that being a Disney Dad at the weekends might not count as a good point)?

CharityDingle · 11/11/2021 05:59

@HeartvsBrain

What are his good points please OP (and may I suggest that being a Disney Dad at the weekends might not count as a good point)?
Exactly. What are his good points?

And messages to stay out of the house so he is not interrupted? Good grief, I think I have heard it all now. Please stop obeying that order Hmm for starters!

NoPinkPlease · 11/11/2021 06:03

What is his job / sector does he work in?

hopeishere · 11/11/2021 06:07

Wraparound care can work and the kids get used to it.

My DH was also obsessed with work it's actually really sad but all his self worth was wrapped up in his job. His office was also big on presenteeism and being available. It is hard to be the one who breaks that culture.

Weatherwax13 · 11/11/2021 06:25

He complains all of the time about work. He is a martyr. Every suggestion I make to lighten his load is refused.
I have one of these. Children all adults now and they have a pretty good relationship with him against the odds IMO.
But they all think he's a twat for still being like this.
(He's over 60, I'm in my 40s)
In the old days, it was to get out of childcare, actually, more specifically, dealing with emotions and complications.
He's always been completely fair re housework and never needed to be asked/told to do anything. He does anything he sees needs doing every weekend and late evenings.
So I don't complain there.
Plus we had a joint account from the start and I have never, ever had to ask for money or even consult him tbh.
Now it's just completely ingrained. I hear him in meetings (WFH now) and he never delegates, always "leave that with me" etc
He's pretty senior now as well so has even less excuse. Latest thing, and this is a new one, cancelling booked leave at the last minute. Three times in a row now. He's been made redundant twice, long time ago now. I wonder sometimes if he's locked into a pattern of trying to make himself indispensable.
I can't even be bothered to argue any more. His life.
I'm retraining from next year to get back into "proper" work as I've missed donkey's years because of this set up.
If I had my time again, though, I would have put my foot down very early on.
So there's a salutary tale for you.
Hindsight is great, isn't it!

femfemlicious · 11/11/2021 06:39

Okk there might be something im missing here but are au pairs not the done thing anymore?
If you have room why not get an au pair?. That would make life much easier. Your husband is set in his ways and it will be impossible to make him change drastically. If you leave him you are still in the same problem but more complicated.

I would definitely get back to your career sooner rather than later since the kids are now in school. If not an aupair , a baby sitter who can pick up from school and bring home and feed them dinner, do homework woyld be excellent.

femfemlicious · 11/11/2021 06:43

@FlorenceWintle

Men can’t work part-time. It’ll make their dicks shrivel up and fall off.
😂😂😂🤣 so true
GoodnightGrandma · 11/11/2021 06:44

His work should not impact on family life at home. Home is home.
He needs to either go to work at his office, or hire a workspace and go there.

TasteTheMeatNotTheHeat · 11/11/2021 06:47

I often get messages telling me not to bring the DC straight home from school as he has an important call that must not be disturbed

This is absolutely ridiculous. No fucking way would I be pandering to this. He's up in the loft, FFS. You are people, not a herd of elephants. Surely all he can hear is some muffled voices and doors opening/closing. He needs to get a grip. If he isn't capable of doing his job with the background noise of family life in a different room then he needs to work outside of the home, not kick his wife and kids out of the home. Absurd.

Northstar1234 · 11/11/2021 06:51

I had a workaholic husband who for various reasons is now at home all the time. It’s a nightmare. He had no idea how to occupy the time that work used to consume. He is another child that can’t take instruction and is unable to help with the most basic life stuff. If you want to go back to work buy in childcare/ cleaning etc. I used to wish my husband would spend more time with us and I would give anything for him to go back to ridiculous work days. Not for financial reasons but for the sake of our marriage and mental health.

Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 11/11/2021 07:01

He is self-important and defined by his work.
This was me.
My DH was a SAHP, I was at the office til 2000 or later every night. I was on my laptop at home. You know what? DH left me, I now do everything. I can't physically be at the office til 2000. My work isn't as good as it used to be and I know I'm dropping balls so to speak. But...the biggest ball I dropped was my marriage.
It wasn't a good one. I'm glad for my now ex that he didn't take anymore of my shit.

He is a man and he didn't put up with it. Women shouldn't either. Don't be that woman. Get a career. Get a life. Children abs housework do not the woman make.
Call hi bluff and say he can become a SAHP then, hug him, smile, see how long he lasts. As above I'd suggest to him he takes 3 weeks off to see if he can manage.

LoveComesQuickly · 11/11/2021 07:05

You say that he treats work as a god, but you are feeding into that narrative too. When he tells you not to come home for a while you need to say NO!

I don't think you can require him to work part time really. That's his choice (and yours too). So if you're bored at work and want to work full time, I think you need to accept that your DC will be in childcare.

If that happens he will need to start pulling his weight with the housework.

ChampagneCommunist · 11/11/2021 07:11

What area of law? Lots of firms are looking for staff and some areas (particularly private client) are so hard to recruit for at the moment.

Approach firms directly, offering part time.

BarbaraofSeville · 11/11/2021 07:16

You could try again with the civil service. You might have just been up against slightly better candidates. Pay has been stagnant for years so it can be hard to recruit but often there's a few good candidates interviewed but if there's only one job, only one person can get taken on.

Or look for other roles to get a foot in the door and then keep an eye out for internal vacancies?

Of course your DH is being VU. Does he need to work those hours or is it just a 'hiding from family life' tactic.

If he WFH why can't he do half the school/nursery runs to reduce the time needed in childcare? One of you does the mornings and the other does the afternoons and your working hours are adjusted accordingly, eg you go to work early and he gets them ready and takes them to childcare, then goes home and starts work and you finish work in time to pick them up and he carries on working into the evening?

Holdingontonothing · 11/11/2021 07:19

Sounds like you do need to rebalance things with regards the WFH things and setting expectations of 'normal' family life sometimes overlapping with it.

There will sometimes be noise - that's not me advocating (as we often see on these kind of treads) deliberately disrupting him as that's just destructive, but guide DH to see that there will be occasional noise/disruption and in the new normal, that's OK.

With regards him going PT, sadly as others have alluded to this can be very career limiting for men and even put them at greater risk of redundancy etc for not being a 'company man'. DH old employer was terrible for that kind of culture but you either go with it for the money or put yourself at risk. It's a toxic workplace culture but not something one person can change. Is there something similar at your DH workplace? Maybe he's afraid to ask as even the act of asking puts him in the cross hairs? Just a thought.

But definitely look at your options and think about getting in some help, so you can up your work hours & options.

Wiredforsound · 11/11/2021 07:21

OP, my DP has a ‘big’ job, and never in a million years would he treat us like this. Yours has effectively turned your whole house into an office where people are expected to be quiet and efficient to enable the smooth running of the business, rather than your busy home full of children and banging which is what it’s supposed to be. If he wants to work in an office he needs to go into his office. Secondly, are you sure he’s coping with his job? It sounds like he is unable to do his work in the hours allocated, or he is making excuses to avoid family life - either way, it is dysfunctional and impacts negatively on him and on your family. He is supremely selfish - his own needs before anyone else’s. You know all this. In your shoes, I might consider telling him quite forcefully about what you are going to do - get a new job/go full time etc. and then make him work with you to support that. He can’t expect you to be his little enabler forever. You have your own life to lead, and it’s not as an extra in his life.

MangoIce · 11/11/2021 07:29

Can he afford couple’s therapy? It might be good to have an “outsider” to point out the issues in this relationship. His working pattern has not created a healthy family life. Your home life sounds like a toxic environment for your dc.

Waferbiscuit · 11/11/2021 07:33

He won't leave his job or go part time. But in principle you need his income and benefit from that so it would be silly for him to go part time.

It seems there are millions of women around the country caught in this 'honey trap' where you rely on and are able to have a better life through Dhs high income but can't swallow the sacrifices that go with it.

I would scratch the itch and just take a ft job and see if you can make it work. If you can't then go back to part time.

If you were to divorce him you'd have the exact same conundrum as a single parent (trying to have a career, wishing you could do ft etc), only with less money and no support for any childcare or help. Which is worse?