Teacher filmed attacking her horse

[GrabbyAbbie]

Just seen the footage of a woman attacking a horse after a "drag hunt"
She is a primary school teacher and a member of the pony club.
Aibu to think she should lose her job over this?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2021/11/09/foxhunter-filmed-slapping-and-kicking-horse-is-primary-school-teacher-15567946/amp/

In some ways worse than what she did though was the way that the others in the video barely flinched. So clearly that kind of behaviour is tolerated on hunts. Unfortunately for her she was the one that got filmed.

@Frazzled2207

In some ways worse than what she did though was the way that the others in the video barely flinched. So clearly that kind of behaviour is tolerated on hunts. Unfortunately for her she was the one that got filmed.

To me it looked like everyone was staring agog!

@Meg000

I think in her eyes she was disciplining. Do I agree with the way she handled it? No! I can see your point though she should know better especially with sabs around who will do anything literally to paint the hunt in a bad light but does that warrant all this? Do you really think death threats and having to sell her house due to worrying about her children’s safety or people saying they don’t care if she kills herself are fair consequences? At the end of the day we’re all entitled to our opinions and that is mine. I’m not back tracking on my opinion nor am I by any stretch an animal hater but I have some empathy for this woman, and yes I do think it was a mistake a big one which now she has to live with. I don’t think she spends her days abusing animals i think it was a reaction to a stressful situation which I’m sure she very much regrets.

What stressful situation would that be. From looking at the longer version of the video, which was just filming the hunters and their horses. her violence was ‘provoked’ by her horse becoming untied (bad knot presumably) from the trailer to which it was tied and trotting a little way off (not far at all). A horse just being a horse 🤷‍♀️ I’m guessing she had a bad day hunting. Maybe her horse hadn’t jumped a fence as well as she wanted it to. Already pissed off, so she laid into the poor animal. Most horse riders don’t react like that. Those that do are even worse in private. That said, of course death threats etc from the Twitter morons are unacceptable. Sadly, in our culture now, women (especially) get this now for the slightest thing (see female Journalists and Politicians). She should lose her job though, as she has shown that she has little to no impulse control with lots of witnesses around. There are still teachers who verbally, psychologically, physically and sexually abuse children in their schools and there is a long established link between animal cruelty and cruelty to people.

‘Anyway you all make valid points but I’ve spent far to long this evening arguing my case. I think it’s a sad world where people lack so much empathy they wouldn’t care if someone hurt themselves due to their thoughtless comments but that’s social media for you.’

I wouldn’t call failure to feel empathy for violent abusers a character flaw personally, but you do you.

There’s really not ‘two sides to every story’ in certain situations, particularly ones pertaining to abuse. Beating up a scared animal is indefensible, however you try to dress it up.

@KittytheHare

Moral turpitude can be grounds for dismissal in certain jobs, particularly education.

Moral turpitude can be grounds for dismissal in certain jobs, particularly education.

Well I hope the turd is done for turpitude.

The sheer fury on that woman's face as she beats the horse is downright scary. I wouldn't want anyone who abuses animals to teach my children.

Definitely unfit to perform any role that involves working with animals, children or vulnerable people. This piece of shit has anger management issues and is violent.

@Meg000

I obviously don’t know whether she regrets it. I don’t think she deserves the consequences and that's my entire point. You can be as unbiased as you like. I also don’t know much about horses I’ll admit so my opinion is quite possibly misguided on that point. Anyway you all make valid points but I’ve spent far to long this evening arguing my case. I think it’s a sad world where people lack so much empathy they wouldn’t care if someone hurt themselves due to their thoughtless comments but that’s social media for you. There are also two sides to every story we don’t fully know the circumstances and we’re basing judgment of a very short possibly edited video clip it was the sabs who filmed it and you don’t know for sure they haven’t done anything to provoke the situation as they are not innocent and you should bare that in mind. It should investigated properly and I’m sure it will be.

What? Whose is the second side? The ponies? And now it must be edited? Or the sabs incited her to do it. ?

Honestly speechless, it’s everyone’s fault apart for the person punching the horse on the head?

"I think in her eyes,she was disciplining"

If cruelty is her idea of discipline then she definitely should not be teaching children.

Shes lucky the horse didn't kick her back. She'd have bloody known about it if he had.

@Awwlookatmybabyspider

Shes lucky the horse didn't kick her back. She'd have bloody known about it if he had.

And it’s interesting that the pony didn’t try and defend itself. Almost as if it’s learned to accept this kind of behaviour as normal :(

Witch hunt

I'd rather like to treat her the way she treated that horse However, it doesn't affect her ability to teach.

If she behaves like that in public I can only imagine how bad she is in private. The fact that the horse didn't lash out tells you all you need to know.

It's a lovely notion that what we do in private is exactly that as a PP has commented but as a primary school teacher in England I can confirm that in my contract there is a whole section about not being the school/Local Authority into disrepute by my words or actions whether on or off site and regardless of during working hours or not. We are regularly warned that simple actions of everyday life - if witnessed by a parent or member of the wider school community and taken objection to - can be used as a case for misconduct. I have had a colleague out for her 30th birthday during school holidays who got a bit drunk (not paraletic, not sick, lewd or rowdy-just bog standard drunk) who shared a taxi home with me (non drinker). Our taxi driver home happened to be a parent from the school we both worked at. 2 weeks later we were both called into the HT office to be made aware that a parental complaint had been made to governors about our conduct in public - this parent did not believe that teachers should be allowed to go out drinking and had complained to governors that he refused to allow alcoholics to teach his children and wanted us both barred from the profession. I've had another colleague on honeymoon in the Maldives - ran into a family from school also on holiday and returned to school after the summer to a complaint about her attire as she had been wearing a bikini on the beach and said family felt it had been inappropriate. You would be amazed at how often this happens.
With regard to the OP - my concern would be her violent tendencies and unpredictable nature. I wouldn't want her near my children even without the issue of bringing her school into disrepute.

@maddy68

How she treated her horse was shocking.

Her job has nothing to do with it

I can assure you it very much has a lot to do with it.

If she worked in an office, or shop, or most anywhere else I’d agree her job had nothing to do with it.

But as a teacher she needs to be able to lead by example., she can’t do that any more, all the kids in the school,will know and will have seen the video, and she’s clearly got a violent temper on her, most parents would not wish someone who has been proven to abuse an animal teaching their child.

The same goes if she was a police officer, or a lawyer, there are certain roles that a crime or immoral behaviour sees you loose your job. Or should do. A teacher is one of those roles.

Animal abuse is an act that most people find heinous and unforgivable. Ans that’s the root cause of this issue, it’s what she’s done. People can’t accept it.

If she’d went shoplifting or something more people would be on the fence. But when you’re videod repeatedly punching a horse on the head, it’s pretty much game over for most folks.

That’s why there is a “mob mentality” the vast majority of people will not accept animal abuse.

Does anyone remember the woman who shoved the cat in the wheelie bin closed the lid and walked away. That devil worked in a bank she lost her job.
Who wants animal abusers around their children! If this person was a spousal abuser should you be so forgiving, I think not. Believe me one is often the other.

Of course the sabs will have provoked her - they will have been delighted to get this footage! I'd imagine she was desperate to get the horses loaded and out of there. The sabs were videoing her kids, not her. She was absolutely stupid to do what she did and it was very nasty of her to take it out on the pony, the kick was particularly vicious. Before you all say I'm excusing an animal abuser I'm absolutely not, but hunt sabs can be proper dicks and have no qualms in upsetting or hurting horses if they think they'll get good footage out of it.

She has been suspended from her job and removed as a pony club volunteer

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/death-threats-sent-to-teacher-sarah-moulds-accused-of-attacking-horse-7kwnrmwjk

@treguffin How have the sabs "provoked her" to repeatedly kick and smack a horse?
If a woman has an argument with her partner and he then beats her, was he "provoked "? Or are we expecting grown adults to take responsibility for their own actions??
She deserves everything she gets. Vile woman.

Of course you are excusing some of her behaviour by saying that the sabs provoked it. How did they do that? SHE mistreated the horse.

@Mothership4two

Of course you are excusing some of her behaviour by saying that the sabs provoked it. How did they do that? SHE mistreated the horse.

It is possible to imagine provocation (having had first hand negative experience of hunt sabs when not even hunting!) and still think what she did was wrong although I know Mumsnet doesn't really do nuance or debate these days.

[quote Mothership4two]She has been suspended from her job and removed as a pony club volunteer

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/death-threats-sent-to-teacher-sarah-moulds-accused-of-attacking-horse-7kwnrmwjk[/quote]
And had death threats.

Yes, those consequences being those society endorses by law. Not by howling for blood on Twitter and hounding her out of her home. It may feel good to see her “punished”, but she likely has children, parents, a partner and the response has been - at best - disproportionate.

I absolutely agree. There is NEVER any excuse for death threats, threats of vigilante action, let alone vigilante action.