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Teacher filmed attacking her horse

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GrabbyAbbie · 09/11/2021 16:37

Just seen the footage of a woman attacking a horse after a "drag hunt"
She is a primary school teacher and a member of the pony club.
Aibu to think she should lose her job over this?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2021/11/09/foxhunter-filmed-slapping-and-kicking-horse-is-primary-school-teacher-15567946/amp/

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Spikeyball · 10/11/2021 08:20

"Hopefully parents are currently kicking up a fuss, and the school will have no option."

The school will have to follow the proper process of investigation which won't and shouldn't be influenced by how much fuss parents kick up.

treguffin · 10/11/2021 08:21

@Spikeyball

"Hopefully parents are currently kicking up a fuss, and the school will have no option."

The school will have to follow the proper process of investigation which won't and shouldn't be influenced by how much fuss parents kick up.

Exactly.
londonrach · 10/11/2021 08:22

Is her horse safe and away from her?

Derbee · 10/11/2021 08:23

@Spikeyball although she’s currently suspended, almost certain to lose her job. As it should be. Of course an individual’s position becomes untenable when they are investigated for abuse. Most parents won’t want her around their children, and if she’s not sacked, she’ll have to leave of her own accord, under a cloud of shame.

treguffin · 10/11/2021 08:24

@londonrach

Is her horse safe and away from her?
I doubt the horse has been taken away, no.
BertramLacey · 10/11/2021 08:29

All or nothing is not a good way to get people together on an issue. It's perfectly possible to not be a vegetarian and not want a horse to be beaten and abused. Surely vegetarians and vegans would want everyone to object to that?

It's such a weird argument. For one thing, crops are often fertilised by manure from farmed animals, often with those animals turned out directly on to the land. Wildlife is frequently shot and killed to keep it away from crops. And then when those crops are harvested invertebrates and smaller vertebrates that cannot escape are also killed. There isn't one part of food production that doesn't involve using something from animals or killing them.

Now as far as I can work out, most vegans live with the knowledge of this on the grounds that they are at least trying to minimise their impact. Well, likewise. I try to minimise my impact. As an imperfect person who sometimes slips up, or who yes, eats cheese, I can still see that what this woman did is wrong. Start with the common ground and try to build on it, FFS.

WildExcuses · 10/11/2021 08:31

Glad to hear she’s suspended. I hope she loses her job and that her life is ruined over this. It’s not hard to just not kick and punch animals after all.

BertramLacey · 10/11/2021 08:32

What? They are criticising this woman for repeatedly punching and kicking a pony.

Oh yes, of course, that's what it is. No-one is wishing violence on her, making wild and unsubstantiated claims about her, questioning her parenting ability or wishing her entire livelihood and that of family is taken away from her. Gosh no. It's all a carefully reasoned critique of her equestrianism. Hmm

Spikeyball · 10/11/2021 08:35

"although she’s currently suspended, almost certain to lose her job. As it should be. Of course an individual’s position becomes untenable when they are investigated for abuse."

My point being that whatever my personal feelings are about the situation, everyone is entitled to a "fair trial" and not trial by baying mob. Otherwise the system falls apart.

treguffin · 10/11/2021 08:37

Plenty of men do this and worse to horses at the Appleby horse fair and no one gives a shit.

The RSPCA were quoted in the local press saying that there were a minority who abuse the horses, but no witch hunts for those men people.

LowlandLucky · 10/11/2021 08:50

Poppydoppy18 You are right an animal doesn't know but what i was getting at is the fact people seem to be more incensed about this than what happened to Alfie West or Jack Lis in the last few days. I understand the outrage but there are pages and pages on SM about this, yet very very little about Alfie west. What is more important ? It would seem a witch hunt over a teacher, no outrage against the owner of a pit bull that was left in a house with children or the parents of the child that threw a firework into a pram.

InSpaceNooneCanHearYouScream · 10/11/2021 08:55

@treguffin

Plenty of men do this and worse to horses at the Appleby horse fair and no one gives a shit.

The RSPCA were quoted in the local press saying that there were a minority who abuse the horses, but no witch hunts for those men people.

This. Yes this woman is obviously not very nice at all and completely lost her temper with the horse. Unacceptable. Was the horse actually hurt? I doubt it. Is it otherwise well looked after? Probably. This witch hunt is wrong.
Bluntness100 · 10/11/2021 09:03

@BertramLacey

What? They are criticising this woman for repeatedly punching and kicking a pony.

Oh yes, of course, that's what it is. No-one is wishing violence on her, making wild and unsubstantiated claims about her, questioning her parenting ability or wishing her entire livelihood and that of family is taken away from her. Gosh no. It's all a carefully reasoned critique of her equestrianism. Hmm

Again what? What a confusing statement, how is criticising a woman for punching and kicking a horse a reasoned critique of her equaestrianism? It’s an objection against animal abuse.

And no one is saying her entire family should loose their jobs or that she shouldn’t be able to earn a wage, but of course threats of violence are wrong, not quite as wrong as actually carrying them out of course like she did, but still wrong.

People ar saying she shouldn’t be teaching young impressionable children who will likely know she’s an animal abuser, she needs to find another career and earn her living in another way and not being a role model to young children.

treguffin · 10/11/2021 09:05

God some of these comments are so unbelievably tone deaf and smug it's almost making me feel sorry for the woman.

Derbee · 10/11/2021 09:08

@treguffin Sarah, is that you?

treguffin · 10/11/2021 09:10

[quote Derbee]@treguffin Sarah, is that you?[/quote]
Classic mumsnet!

It must be nice not to have any understanding of nuance, I'd imagine it makes life much simpler.

Derbee · 10/11/2021 09:14

FFS, the nuance of punching and kicking an animal?? You’re sick

timestheyarechanging · 10/11/2021 09:15

Shocking and discussing! I believe it's a criminal offence in Uk as it should be.
She should be reported, lose her job and be prosecuted and hopefully never have an innocent animal under her 'care' again Angry

TashieWoo · 10/11/2021 09:17

Another argument is that there is a lot of casual abuse/ignorance that goes on in equestrianism that you aren’t allowed to discuss.

Appleby horse fair being one of them.

On social media there has recently been an increase in ‘plus sized riders’ who are blatantly over the 15-20% ratio rule. Yet they are immune from criticism because that is against ‘body positivity’ etc. An overweight rider can have a long lasting negative impact on the horse… worth thinking about in comparison.

Shasha17 · 10/11/2021 09:17

Of course she shouldn't lose her job over this. The two things are totally unrelated.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 10/11/2021 09:18

YANBU, I would not want someone with those kind of morals teaching my DS.

FreeBritnee · 10/11/2021 09:25

The awful thing is I worked with horses most of my life and what she did to the horse would hardly have raised an eyebrow in the circles I mixed in. I can see why she didn’t think much of it.

Peacocking · 10/11/2021 09:26

The vegan comments above...the issue for some vegans is the hypocrisy I think. Some people are being outraged over this while paying other people to cause far greater, longer term and more severe terror and pain in other animals so they can eat them. Both sides agree that the treatment of the horse is unacceptable, but one side is really confused about the other side choosing to pay to have meat animals treated in a far worse way while complaining about this woman.

Piggy42 · 10/11/2021 09:27

@MadameGazellee initially I thought that too. But then if she was a carer, working alone with vulnerable individuals potentially on their own I would be concerned that she could be abusive. So then I changed my mind, I don’t think she should be working where safeguarding could be an issue.

LittleMG · 10/11/2021 09:29

Just the sort of behaviour I would expect to have somebody who hunts with hounds

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