To be ashamed of our Sleazebag PM?

[Sean2001]

If it wasn't bad enough, Johnson presiding over the Paterson vote last week ...

He's now refusing to attend the debate today on sleaze/corruption

He also will not allow the sleaze watchdog to look into his flat refurbishment.

Does Johnson actually think this kind of behaviour is impressive?

I find it deeply embarrassing.

@Sean2001

I think this is the beginning. Labour have finally got their teeth in and from now on won't let go.

Imagine being confident of Labour making a comeback on the basis of the Conservative leader being a massive twat, rather than them having some half-decent policies...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we don't need new leadership, but I think the government we elect needs to be based on what they propose to improve the country, not just someone who can prove they're the lesser of two evils morally.

He can't attend because he's been to The North and will be on the train home. However that didn't stop him from flying back from Scotland last week for a private dinner with some mates.

In this particular issue, there is no missing nuance.

No one is overreacting. Johnson was banking on the public underreacting but, oops, turns out we won't wear this one.

And it's perfectly easy for Labour to say what they would do in this situation... because it's what they did do.

Chris Bryant, in his role as Chair of the Standards Committee rather than as a Labour MP, recommended a 30-day suspension for Paterson. Bryant also made a speech directly to the Commons informing Members of the details so they could make up their own minds.

Labour, and every party but the Tories, voted against the attempt to change the standards system to protect Paterson (and anyone else who might be guilty of corruption).

This is not something where you can wave your hands and pretend it's all too hard for us plebs to understand, or that no one else would be able to do better.

The problem is, MN is not representative of the UK
You will gets endless posters on here, agreeing with you and trying to outdo each other on how much they hate the Tories, are in real lifeashamed of our Government, sorry for people they consider to have been shafted by the Tories etc etc etc

Well that's certainly representative of the Scottish part of the UK.

The Tories were voted in last time and they will be voted in again

Not in Scotland they weren't. Not that it makes any difference, still stuck with them.

I heard how bad he was as London Mayor. Lazy arrogant and corrupt, not interested in detail and letting others do the work.
Then backing and endorsing Brexit as a cynical manoeuvre to gain power.

Add a seedy private life, numerous sackings from jobs and compulsive lying.
Did anyone ever really think he’d be ok?

@Taoneusa

None of them are particularly better than each other, IMO, they do their best and are fallible, and police each other for their ends only.

metro.co.uk/2021/11/08/the-30-mps-who-rake-in-thousands-with-second-jobs-as-consultants-15561454/

28 of the 30 are Tories.

Whether it's the Tories having a clash of interests, or people elected as Labour MPs calling opponents "scum" and being convicted of threatening a member of the public, all of them are useless and none of them fit to be in office.

Yy I am but no more so than any other time since he was elected. He is a liar and a cheat with no morals or principles. It's embarrassing that is the type of man people want to represent the UK on a global stage.

My Labour Mp is far far from useless. When I watch Newsnight I see and hear many MPswho are not useless. Everyone on our government is as far as I can tell me.

Please correct me - if I'm wrong.

"clash of interests"?

A clash of interest is when one is already (say) owner of a haulage firm, and an issue comes up in Parliament that affects haulage firms. There are accepted protocols for MPs to deal with this common occurrence.

Accepting a job as a paid "consultant" to a company in order to use one's position as MP to repeatedly initiate meetings and send letters lobbying officials and ministers on behalf of those specific companies, is not a "clash of interest". It is corruption. Pure and simple.

@Katyppp

The problem is, MN is not representative of the UK. You will gets endless posters on here, agreeing with you and trying to outdo each other on how much they hate the Tories, are in real lifeashamed of our Government, sorry for people they consider to have been shafted by the Tories etc etc etc. In real life, things are a lot more nuanced and lots of the issues considered very important on MN hardly raise an eyebrow. The Tories were voted in last time and they will be voted in again, until Labour have a credible offering that people can relate to, not just spend all their time (over) reacting, finger-pointing and name calling. Actually setting out what they would actually do in a given situation instead of just going on about how awful the Tories are and evading questions woykd be a good start.

At least Labour turns up for the questions.

This Tory government can’t even manage that. When did you last hear any of the cabinet bothering to appear anywhere to answer any questions?

The next election will all hinge on the northern voters and how they feel after lending them their votes last time around and breaking the red wall!
The south has pretty much been lost to the conservatives for many years

YANBU at all.

The worst thing is that he still manages to garner support. He is morally repugnant.

deecee - I know the thread you're talking about. I could weep. How many children have been pushed into poverty by this government? How could people possibly believe that the Tories care about the rights of anybody except people just like them?

I am not ashamed of him - I didn't vote for the fucker. I am ashamed that he and his party can get elected here.

He always has been a liar, a cheat and a sleazy git ..... but thousands of people vote for him and think the sun shines out of his rear.

Nowt we can do because of the electoral system we are stuck with. It is pitiful.

He's a mendacious, idle, useless sack of shite, but I'm not ashamed of him or embarrassed by him.

If I'd voted for him, I might feel differently. But then I'd need hypnosis or a lobotomy to vote for him, so I probably wouldn't feel ashamed even then.

YANBU, but nothing is going to change. We will have to put up with this ponce being PM for as long as he will be alive, because he won't be held accountable and people will still vote Tory.

The fact there is nothing on the BBC front page about this also speaks volumes.

This government is largely a bunch of contemptible, corrupt fuckers. I am still bewildered as to how they were voted in.

They were voted in as the least repugnant option at the time......

The emergency debate on standards starts at 4.30 and is on the BBC Parliament channel if anyone wants to see the Tories squirming and trying to defend their grasping avarice and lack of scruples.

Yanbu that he is a sleazebag.
Yabu to be ashamed - he's not your mate and you haven't voted him in.

The more outrageous things he does, the better. Let him dig himself into a deeper hole, since the opposition aren't very effective doing it for him.

@user1497787065

They were voted in as the least repugnant option at the time......

In a ridiculous system that almost everywhere else has abandoned (or never used) in country where the print media is controlled by lying tax-dodgers.

I was tempted to vote yabu simply because I am not embarrassed or ashamed of him or the government because I had no hand in what he's doing or how he got there, I haven't ever voted Tory because I just don't believe in what they stand for.

People that I know however, voted for and like him because he's apparently 'charismatic', 'funny' and I've even heard 'endearing'. But are right up there complaining about the NHS being managed off a cliff, not being able to find a copper for love nor money, 3 hour waits for emergency ambulances and a host of other things that come under the umbrella 'The state of this country!'
It's like they think he's a jolly celebrity not the mam running the country. I'm no political expert but even I know you don't vote for someone (or their party) because they are funny or charismatic and not take politics into consideration at all.

They got voted in on the oven-ready Brexit deal.

@Sean2001

I think this is the beginning. Labour have finally got their teeth in and from now on won't let go.

Labour can bite in to it all they want. They are all as bad as each other - but its not on the same level as Tony Blair lying over Iraq and marching our army off to WAR. That man should be in PRISON as a war criminal. I have a Bit who was sent there.

They are ALL as bad as each other.