To despise being called ‘cis’?

[Ostryga]

I’m not ‘cis’. I’m not ‘cisgendered’. I’m literally a woman. I’ve just read a guardian article that calls women seeking IVF cisgendered.

Why????

Shrieking void
Not very bright
Don’t give a fuck about your trauma
Baying mob
Lacking in comprehensive skills

certainly giving the ‘nasty’ posters on here a run for their money

[quote TaliaB1]@thatonehasalittlecar Why are you so nasty and so aggressive and so full of hatred?[/quote]
I’m not. I just think you lot have been particularly nasty today. It’s pretty classic Mumsnet.

We start with the trans baiting initial post.

Then some people agree, some disagree.

Then the pile on to anyone who isn’t completely GC, which scares away all but the most hardened / foolhardy / bored.

Then the attempts to derail any cogent argument on the basis of tone policing / deliberate misinterpretations.

Someone will conflate being ok with [whatever mildly controversial trans-related topic] with wanting rapists and wife beaters in every school toilet block.

Someone will mention nazis.

And we all go round in circles until only the mean girls remain, who declare victory / moral superiority / some sort of mandate for transphobia based on the echo chamber that is this horribly transphobic (and heavily infiltrated by right wing conservative shit stirrers) site.

Have I missed any steps?

Good idea blue

Just like a minute too late 😩

@helloise oddly when I Google that I get the NHS, The Times, The Guardian and a few blog sites.

You must read Mumsnet even more than I do 😁

I just see an angry red hole whenever I read your posts.

So you don't read what people type, you react to a demonic caricature when you see people disagreeing with you. I appreciate the honesty, but don't you think that is a personal flaw that you should address?

Google "people with a cervix" or "person with a cervix" then Helloise and you'll find a whole lot more. You can have a search for "vulva havers" as well while you're at it, lots of media pops up for that from Healthline to Huffpo, Salon, refinery29, it's all out there for the vulva havers.

It's "people with a cervix".

https://www.nhsinform.scot/healthy-living/screening/cervical/cervical-screening-incident

Less than 1 in every 100 people with a cervix (less than 1%) in the UK will develop cervical cancer in their lifetime.

Shall I ask DP if he has a cervix? I wouldn't want him to go unscreened.

@thatonehasalittlecar That you think this site is even remotely transphobic says everything. Basically that any woman standing up for their sex-based rights and protections is 'transphobic' if they dare discuss it.

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

Shrieking void Not very bright Don’t give a fuck about your trauma Baying mob Lacking in comprehensive skills

certainly giving the ‘nasty’ posters on here a run for their money

None of those things comes close to the denial of people’s lived experience which runs central to this thread.

So women refusing to accept a new label being imposed on them are bullies.

DARVO on steroids with a speed chaser.

We start with the trans baiting initial post.

No, just women defining their boundaries. As a self-identified feminist, I'm surprised you have an issue with that.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

I just see an angry red hole whenever I read your posts.

So you don't read what people type, you react to a demonic caricature when you see people disagreeing with you. I appreciate the honesty, but don't you think that is a personal flaw that you should address?

Oh dear.

Go read some John Dunne

Have I missed any steps?

The one where people actually listen to what women are saying and what they’d liked to be called

Oh how could we forget that discussing anything female without centering transwomen is automatically transphobic.

The OP isn't baiting anyone. Just a women pissed off at the orthodoxy that insists women can't have any input into their own nomenclature.

Sad, angry and being debated...

None of those things comes close to the denial of people’s lived experience which runs central to this thread.

People's lived experience of what? It's not possible for male people to have the lived experience of being female. And sometimes this is important. That's all that's being stated.

This is a worthwhile read, by the way. Not specifically to do with the impact on women's rights of words like cis, but interesting.

To be different from other girls: on misogyny, inside and out – culturallyboundgender

culturallyboundgender.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/to-be-different-from-other-girls-on-misogyny-inside-and-out/

Have I missed any steps?

Quite a few:

Refuse to answer questions like what is gender, what is a woman, if gender is a sense of self how can a doctor assign it to a newborn baby?

Try to derail the thread.

Fling accusations at everyone who disagrees with you.

Ignore all the women telling you how offensive cis is to them and tell them that they shouldn't be offended.

Say that GC people are saying trans people "don't have a right to exist" and should be erased when no one said anything of the kind.

Shout bigot at some point instead of answering the qurstion.

Gaslight and deliberately misrepresent people's posts.

When you realise your argument is fatally flawed start to fling out personal insults at the same as telling everyone else they're bullies.

I know I've missed loads of steps in the TRA handbook but those came to mind off the top of my head.

@Helloise and what are your thoughts on the NHS Scotland use of 'people with a cervix'? I posted the link in my last post.

None of those things comes close to the denial of people’s lived experience which runs central to this thread.

Yes, I agree, it's definitely the case that several posters repeatedly ignore the lived experiences of women - like being bullied as a child for being gender non-conforming - and hundreds of women's visceral dislike of being called a made-up term like "cis" which they find alienating and upsetting, sometimes for traumatic reasons. Yes, it's really bad when some posters dismiss that, sometimes in the most callous and sweary terms.

@FOJN

So women refusing to accept a new label being imposed on them are bullies.

DARVO on steroids with a speed chaser.

No, women who tell other women her opinions and thoughts aren’t valid and her existence as a non-XX female don’t count are bullies.

(I’m talking about you lot)

None of those things comes close to the denial of people’s lived experience which runs central to this thread.

I am guessing the irony of that completely bypassed you 😆

You’re being as nasty as anybody else has on this thread

Do unto others and all that shit

I wish nothing but happiness for trans people, truly. We all only get one life to live. I disagree that twaw or tmam and I believe in single sex spaces and an equal playing field for women in sports, political representation etc. That amounts to the total of my opposition to trans people.

But I now have a daughter myself and my lived experience has taught me to be happy in my skin and to know there is nothing wrong with being female and not being typically feminine. I wish to pass that message on to my daughter without her being indoctrinated into the gender messaging that a woman is xyz traits and if she doesn't conform to them, that there must be something wrong with her.

That is why i oppose the cissing. It goes against my lived experiences, as your tribe like to say.

John Donne the screenwriter, or do you mean John Donne the poet?

He definitely knew what a biological woman was

*Dunne for the first one, bloody autocorrect, hah!