To think Dumbledore was a massive cheater?

[Slytherine]

Just finished watching the first Harry Potter film on TV and forgot about the injustice for the Slytherins at the end. I have changed my name in solidarity.

So the Slytherins get the most House Points (presumably fairly as most of the professors at Hogwarts could barely hide their disdain for Slytherin House so wouldn’t have been dishing out points to them for no reason) and are sat there enjoying their win of the House Cup, and celebrating with the room decorated in their House colours, and then former Gryffindor Dumbledore just decides (even though the school year was officially over!!) to throw out an unreasonable amount of points to Harry, Hermione and Ron drawing them level with Slytherin, and then a further 10 points to Neville pushing Gryffindor over the edge and into the win. And then, just to rub salt into the wound, publicly humiliated them by casting a spell to replace all the Slytherin colours with the Gryffindor colours and gives them the award instead and they all celebrate, including him and most of the teachers, and Slytherin has to sit there and just accept it??

AIBU to think WTAF and that was very unfair and he was biased by doing this and it’s no wonder the Slytherins were openly hostile and dismissive of him after that!? I’d be fuming if I were a Slytherin student and if I were a parent of a Slytherin student I’d be marching up to the school myself and having a word with the head.

YABU. Slytherin lost because of Malfoy and his goonies.

This is the same man who let Harry be raised in an abusive household, let Snape bully and harass students, and raised Harry in the knowledge he had to die and never told him. Dumbledore was manipulative throughout the series

YANBU

Yeah, Dumbledore isn’t a very nice person. That was just the tip of the iceberg.

Yes I always thought that part of the film was awful. No wonder Slyrherins were fucked up!

And yes he let his students get into awful messes! Let’s face it, Harry wouldn’t have made it without Hermione!

It is mentioned throughout that most teachers don't favour their own houses but Snape is incredibly biased and constantly throws points at the Slytherins. But yes...Dumbleton is incredibly manipulative. That isn't an accidental thing...his brother mentions in the last book that 'secrets and lies' were how they grew up and 'Albus was a natural' so he's clearly a difficult character. Funnily enough, his brother is LC with Albus because he is a manipulative, selfish git who is effectively responsible for his sister's death.

Hogwarts is a harmful environment for children. No way would I send my sons.

I know it’s a typical happy ending and good triumphs over evil blah blah blah, but to me it’s just like if a headteacher had a child at their school and announced - after the award had already been given - that actually, no, they didn’t win, because they had “forgot” to award their child and friends points so, technically, the child’s House are the true winners so suck it up, Slytherins, never mind all the points you won for hard work throughout the school year, I want my child to win the glory. So unfair! It’s light hearted obviously but it ruined the end of the film for me 😂

I don't think ending with Harry, Ron and Hermione politely-but-gloomily applauding the Slytherins would have had quite the same emotional punch though.

YANBU. The Slytherin's are treated appallingly throughout, assumed to be evil from the moment they are sorted.

Yanbu. Especially since Snape is roundly berated for favouring Slytherin students- no bloody wonder with the Head throwing house points at Gryffindor like nobody's business!

I love Harry Potter and I love that you’re getting wound up over it, OP - in a nice way. A true fan

The timing wasn’t great but given that Harry, Ron and Hermione saved the wizarding world from Voldemort returning, I’m not sure you can say it was an unreasonable amount of points.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

YANBU. The Slytherin's are treated appallingly throughout, assumed to be evil from the moment they are sorted.

Yes, but then part of the arc is both Harry and the reader unlearning that, through Snape. Harry names his eldest child after Dumbledore and Snape and tells him that Snape, the Slytherin, was one of the bravest people he had ever known.

It's also made clear how at least some Slytherins get to be that way, once you know their back stories.

The characters are all flawed and that's one reason they're so good. I love how Harry never knows what to do in Potions before getting the annotated book, and just looks around the class to try to copy someone who seems to know their stuff.

As for the house points, the Griffindors hadn't been rewarded yet for what they did and the Slytherins fought dirty, so I can't complain.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

YANBU. The Slytherin's are treated appallingly throughout, assumed to be evil from the moment they are sorted.

Yes! I noticed this as well. Earlier in the film Maggie Smith was introducing everyone and said “There’s Gryffindor, Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw and” Slytherin ” really disgustedly! Also, if you dislike them so much maybe just not admit them and get rid of that House altogether, just a thought!?

@Tryagainplease

I love Harry Potter and I love that you’re getting wound up over it, OP - in a nice way. A true fan

I’m actually not a fan really though I read the books and the films when they first came out, but I had completely forgot about how it ended. I was just struck by the unfairness of it all!

Considering Harry, neville and Hermione lost 150 points through helping Hagrid earlier in the book, in a way it was readjusting that injustice...

I have to admit though, as an adult I find the whole life Harry had at the Dursleys rather disturbing. How no one noticed. Unless they were Confunded...

They also gave to live in the actual dungeons, while Griffindor common room and dorms are all teak and fur rugs and four poster beds and roaring fires.

Dumbledore was a manipulative old bastard who could have nipped a load of the Voldemort shit in the bud but let Harry be the poster boy/sacrificial lamb.

See also Gandalf.

YANBU. I never liked that, either. All Neville did was try to stop Harry & co. from sneaking out, because he didn't want points docked. Are we supposed to believe that no one in any other house tried to stop their friends from breaking rules, ever, during the entire year?

@SickAndTiredAgain

The timing wasn’t great but given that Harry, Ron and Hermione saved the wizarding world from Voldemort returning, I’m not sure you can say it was an unreasonable amount of points.

Unreasonable as in it just so happened to be the exact amount of points to drawl level and then a further ten to push them over the edge. And no, the timing wasn’t great at all! He could have given them before then, not waited until the entire school was gathered together and then announce it AFTER the other team were told they were the winners and were in the middle of celebrating. So cruel!

I think you are over thinking it, it’s made up you know.

@Lillith111

This is the same man who let Harry be raised in an abusive household, let Snape bully and harass students, and raised Harry in the knowledge he had to die and never told him. Dumbledore was manipulative throughout the series

This 100%. Not a good man.

Snape was though. The patronus 💔

The prophecy never said Harry had to die. It said neither he nor Voldemort could live while the other survived.

@Bluntness100 so are over half the things on this forum.

You don’t have to click and throw in your bitter old two-pence worth, you know.

@Bluntness100

I think you are over thinking it, it’s made up you know.

Written appreciation and discussion of literature is central to a civilised society, Bluntness.

Or slightly less pompously, it’s an enjoyable thread. So bugger off and misery on another one