AIBU to think this is a really, really bad idea?

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15 baby boys were given the name 'Lucifer' in 2020.
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www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/datasets/babynamesinenglandandwalesfrom1996

Yes, you can. Both have negative connotations and most people would avoid using either name because of that.

Honestly I’m going to leave this thread, I feel like I’m losing a brain cell every time I open it. As the saying goes “You can’t argue with stupid”.

@QuestionableMouse the difference is that Adolf Hitler was a real person, an anti-Semitic genocidal maniac who killed 6 million people and forever altered the make up of a whole culture and religion due to his actions.

Satan is a fairy story.

There's a difference

Rather than flouncing and being rude, why don't you explain which bit of what I've said is stupid?

Oh, right, you can't. It makes no difference if a name is "real" or made up - most people won't be thinking "oh well old Adolf was a real person but Lucifer was an angel before he fell."

Connotations around names rarely relate to their origins - they relate to their use (Adolf has negative connotations for obvious reasons, as does Lucifer)

I think you're being deliberately obtuse over this for whatever reason.

So no, I'm not (being) stupid and I resent being called that quite a lot.

@QuestionableMouse

Yes, you can. Both have negative connotations and most people would avoid using either name because of that.

Of course you can't fucking compare!! One happened. The other didn't

why don't you explain which bit of what I've said is stupid?

We have and you've gone nO iT iSnT

Besides I'm pretty sure Adolf Hitler is known the world over whereas many people will not ever have heard of Lucifer being linked to the devil.

@YourFinestPantaloons

Besides I'm pretty sure Adolf Hitler is known the world over whereas many people will not ever have heard of Lucifer being linked to the devil.

But almost everyone in the UK will know that Lucifer is a name for the devil. Regardless of whether they even believe in the devil, it is an association that pervades our culture. You can’t call a child Voldemort either.

@TuftyMarmoset so what. Some people aren't from the U.K., some people don't plan to stay. If you're too weird and uptight to accept a child's non-conventional name then I don't see how that's another person's problem

[quote YourFinestPantaloons]@QuestionableMouse the difference is that Adolf Hitler was a real person, an anti-Semitic genocidal maniac who killed 6 million people and forever altered the make up of a whole culture and religion due to his actions.

Satan is a fairy story.

There's a difference [/quote]
And somehow a baby Adolf still made it through in 2005.

I'd love to be called this. I'd go by Lucy and then imagine people's faces when you tell them actually, it's short for Lucifer.

And somehow a baby Adolf still made it through in 2005.

Meh.

Like I say I'm a teacher, I've heard it all so I have a pretty thick skin when it comes to kids names. I think it's a real shame that someone would judge a child based on what their parents call them and whine about cONotAtIOns

It's a dreadful idea.

I know a teenage Lucifer, he goes by his middle name. His family are not religious at all but I am hoping if he ever gets married he gets married in church and I get invited.

@TuftyMarmoset

YANBU. Some parents forget they are naming an actual person who has to live with the name for their whole life. I’m on my phone and can’t view the data properly now but there were a number of boys named Baby as well 🤦‍♀️ And as I pointed out on another thread, 3 boys named Seedy.

Stillborn babies are often called Baby (Peanut/Bean/Dot) Surname if they were born too early to have been "officially" named by their parents. If that makes sense.

@AliceinBorderland

'Lucifer is no different to Gabriel. Both archangels. Lucifer has negative connotations as he fell from grace and became Satan. Lucifer was the the name of an archangel.'

You claim there is no difference...and then explain the difference

@YourFinestPantaloons

And somehow a baby Adolf still made it through in 2005.

Meh.

Like I say I'm a teacher, I've heard it all so I have a pretty thick skin when it comes to kids names. I think it's a real shame that someone would judge a child based on what their parents call them and whine about cONotAtIOns

This. If people are so unable to see past a name (some of the comment on here are worrying tbh) , how do we expect to fight against sexism, racism,ableism etc?

@StillMedusa

AliceinBorderland What's so awful about Teddy? On it's own for an adult, not great I grant you, but as a baby name for Edward or Theodore , it's fine! My grandson is Theodore. Currently he's Teddy, Tedbear, Theo, Theodorable as he's a baby. When he's older he'll be Theo, Ted, Theodore, or Teddy! There are a lot worse names out there...!

Theodorable is the cutest nn I've ever heard! 😍

It's strange really, I bet most people on this thread would say they don't believe in God, but then they get all pearl clutchy about the name Lucifer. If there is hell then there must be heaven?

I can't believe so many people on here believe in God, or are practicing Christians or give a toss what the Bible says enough to discount a name.

I was one of those people who registered their baby as Baby. It was to do with baby having been born in UK but neither of the parents being British. They had a real given name but we needed uk documents to register for other time sensitive documentation so their birth was registered immediately here in UK to get the ball rolling. There may genuinely be small children called Baby and I am incredibly stupid though

It'll just get shortened to Lucy probably, and people will do a double take. I tell ya, life's not easy for a boy named Lucy.....

[quote YourFinestPantaloons]@TuftyMarmoset so what. Some people aren't from the U.K., some people don't plan to stay. If you're too weird and uptight to accept a child's non-conventional name then I don't see how that's another person's problem[/quote]
If you think it’s weird and uptight that I think it’s unfair on a child to saddle them with those connotations then I really fear for your parenting style!

I assume everyone on this thread who is ok with Lucifer is ok with Voldemort then.

Adolf, or Adolphus, is a perfectly serviceable name. Short form being 'Dolly'

@Courtier

Who cares? To me it's just a name. I also like Lilleth.

I love the name Lilith.

I have two dds and debated it with both, but super religious MIL would have had a meltdown, it wasn’t worth it.