If we had a General Election now ...

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Who would vote Tory and why?

As a Conservative voter, I really do wish that Labour would get it's house in order. Our democracy has always worked better with an effective opposition. Labour have been absolutely shambolic, missing several open goals.
The problem for Labour is that it was a party founded on primarily economic policies. With a Conservative party that has moved to the left on monetary policy, Labour have nothing. This has meant that they have desperately tried to adopt social policies... and have alienated so many voters in the process.
The vitriolic "evil tories" from those Labour supporters that are left does not help either. Those of us on the right seem to be able to have civil disagreement.

BJ doesn't hide behind popularity. He is taking the tough decisiins

Oh my sides... 😂

The vitriolic "evil tories" from those Labour supporters that are left does not help either.

I agree it’s so off putting, plus the everyone is thick stance often taken on here

Also agree with shift on economic policy

With a Conservative party that has moved to the left on monetary policy

Eh?? 10 years of freezing benefit rates as the cost of living has skyrocketed, truly massive rises in foodbank use, 5 week wait for any payment, the UN saying this government is creating a 'hostile environment' for disabled people, bedroom tax.

I wouldn't say that's moving to the left at all!! Not in welfare policy anyway. Universal Credit has been extremely cruel to a huge number of people and it is the Torie's brainchild since 2010.

Labour remains unelectable without a large injection of charisma.

Why is charisma important? Johnson has charisma. He's also a lying, cheating, Stalinist scumbag.

I've had enough of charisma. Clement Attlee wasn't charismatic; he was a good prime minister. Tony Blair was charismatic; he was a bad prime minister (after the first couple of years, at least).

@percysledge, you are talking about fiscal policy not monitary policy.

Voting Tory is better than voting for a bunch of extremists (yes, Labour) who don’t know what a woman is.

It's a difficult one. I'm traditionally a Tory voter, and we have a fantastic local Tory MP who works very hard for our community but, in all honesty, I cannot vote for a party that has Johnson and the current crowd in charge. Similarly Labour are a go-to for me - I loathe Starmer and Rayner.

I actually feel politically homeless so I'd probably waste my vote, which I've never done.

For FS. the Tory party, even as demented as it is, is neither homophobic nor racist. Look at the composition of the Front Bench. We have women as foreign and home secretaries, and asian people in the exchequer, health and a home secretary WHO IS BOTH Asian and female. And then look at Labour... From where I view this, the Tories are light years ahead. Labour are the party looking pale male and stale.

I meant no-go not go-to - damn tablet!

I would. Labour are unelectable and have made their views on women very clear. Lib Dem are non-existent. Tory is the only proper choice right now. I usually agree with the majority of their policies anyway (apart from Brexit).

My fault, I did mean fiscal policy, not monetary policy. They have moved left though, they have abandoned the austerity of the 2010s and have announced massive infrastructure spending. That's a shift left relative to their previous position.

This then occupies the economic ground of a highly electable centre-left Labour Party . So they lurched to the left, found some "progressive" causes to get behind... and lost a lot of support.

Oh well. As I guessed most of that was really depressing.
Thank you for the little bit of debate everybody and all your views.

@XingMing

For FS. the Tory party, even as demented as it is, is neither homophobic nor racist. Look at the composition of the Front Bench. We have women as foreign and home secretaries, and asian people in the exchequer, health and a home secretary WHO IS BOTH Asian and female. And then look at Labour... From where I view this, the Tories are light years ahead. Labour are the party looking pale male and stale.

I thought there were more high profile women in Labour than the Conservatives. The Conservatives have Patel and Truss in the Cabinet, but there are a quite a few in the Shadow Cabinet. Also several in the leadership contest.

@GotLittUp

I will almost certainly end up spoiling my ballot. I won't vote tory, but all of the other parties have made it very clear that they don't have any interest in protecting women's rights so won't get my vote either.

The only way to get the other mainstream UK parties to see sense on women's rights, is to vote Conservative. That is literally the only thing which will send the message home to them. Spoiling your ballot does zilch and means they may as well remove the franchise from women.

I started voting Tory very recently purely to stop the SNP and their neverendum but have found other reasons now such as the importance of maintaining women's sex based rights in law and my strong commitment to free speech that I used to take for granted in the UK and which has now come massively under attack, even more so in Scotland than in England.
I will always vote (women died to get me that right less than 100 years ago) but I will always choose between the '2 evils' likely to hold power; and right now in the UK, that makes a Conservative vote the less risky choice. My teenage self would recoil in horror but such is reality.

To be fair OP I’d take the musings of a few randomers on MN as a demonstration of how the country would vote in a coming election with a pinch of salt. As is said time and time again MN is not representative of the whole nation. And it’s odd how the more inept the government is, the more pro Tory some political threads become. On this thread I’d say 80% intended voting Tory but that doesn’t translate to the results of opinion polls etc. Look at the Amersham by-election Lib dems won against the odds. Many people outside MN are disgusted with the current government despite what it seems in here. Fair enough posters on here don’t seem to be bothered about well documented cronyism and dishonesty but in real life people do have a moral compass.

There isn't really a party that represents me. Greens are probably the closest. I can't imagine I'll ever vote Tory though.

Plenty of others will - though honestly I wonder what is wrong with some people! I've no idea how anyone votes for such a corrupt and inept party who are responsible for so many deaths.

@Stompythedinosaur

There isn't really a party that represents me. Greens are probably the closest. I can't imagine I'll ever vote Tory though.

Plenty of others will - though honestly I wonder what is wrong with some people! I've no idea how anyone votes for such a corrupt and inept party who are responsible for so many deaths.

That you try to hold the moral high ground in your condemnation of people who come to a different conclusion than you about which way to vote in a democracy with a 2 party system, is the reason you will be 'surprised' in a bad way at the outcome of elections for the forseeable future. You need people who have previously 'floated' to switch sides to win. Insulting them won't work and why can't you see this, Angela...?

@dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby and Johnson too no ? Well known for his incendiary remarks.

[quote einekleinenachtarbeit]@dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby and Johnson too no ? Well known for his incendiary remarks.[/quote]
Well no, not really in his role as PM. He's not really as bad as Trump, who was incendiary, but I know some people like to pretend he is. I'm not really a fan (I voted remain) but I get a choice of 2 would be PMs/parties and I have explained above why I no longer vote Labour. It wouldn't work in my seat anyway as Labour have never held it. It has always been LibDem/SNP/now Tory.
But trust me my morals and social responsibility levels are fine lol.

But the more you insult my well considered voting choice and question my 'morals', the more I am likely to adhere to it.

That you try to hold the moral high ground in your condemnation of people who come to a different conclusion than you about which way to vote in a democracy with a 2 party system, is the reason you will be 'surprised' in a bad way at the outcome of elections for the forseeable future.

I won't be at all surprised! I'm well aware the majority of people in the country hold different views to me.

I think there are two ways to do politics. Change what you stand for to try to suit the largest majority of people or stand by what you believe and try to show people why it is important. I prefer the latter.

I get very tired of people talking about voting as if your politics are some sort of seperate thing to your moral character and the sort of person you are inside. Perhaps thinking that makes people feel better about giving in to selfish urges?

I'd vote Labour

Well I will not vote Labour because they can’t even admit to basic biological facts.