How is Jim Davidson not cancelled?

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If you've watched the documentary black and white by Ashley Banjo you will see what I mean.

This man is the most racist man I've seen on TV in recent years.

He's a disgrace.

Racism requires power imbalance. Prejudice against people from specific races isn't the same thing as racism

These are all theories (in some people's minds prejudice=racism). And, in any case, it very much depends on the context, so it's not as clear cut as X doesn't exist

a white person keeping away from a British Asian joking

Well, it's a bit difficult to 'keep away' when offensive and inflammatory 'documentaries' like the one mentioned by the OP are being aired on national TV, isn't' it? Who is signing off on these things?

These are all theories

And, besides what's clearly written in the law, all the rest are ideologies, theories concocted by academics. So, it would be helpful if posters would stop 'correcting' others and dictating the right terms to use, etc. It's not written in stone and can be debated

@rrhuth

You can't cancel someone, 'cancel culture' has been invented by the right as part of their bullshit culture wars.

People can be de-platformed, which IMO is fine - if I have control of an organisation, I can organise it in three ways:

• to suit myself
• to suit the members
• to suit the users/customers/clients

Organisations where members say 'we don't want this person' are not doing anything wrong.

Those who do want a particular event can organise anything they like in line with the law, and publish on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.

Free speech exists in this country just fine. As evidenced by the amount of shit posted everyday on every platform.

It is just that racists etc. are upset their views are now minority/unwanted.

This.

This

Is nonsense, as demonstrated on the previous page. Cancel culture is alive and well and playing out daily.

@mustlovegin

Racism requires power imbalance. Prejudice against people from specific races isn't the same thing as racism

These are all theories (in some people's minds prejudice=racism). And, in any case, it very much depends on the context, so it's not as clear cut as X doesn't exist

Not really. Prejudice exists. Power structures exist. Therefore the combination of prejudice + power exists. That is what is defined as 'racism'. Some people may understand any racial prejudice to be racism but they have misunderstood the definition of racism.

The thing is, he is not on TV, but you can just build up a following on the internet, so "cancelling" is a bit meaningless now.

@NotBadConsidering

I don't know James Dreyfus, so I can't say anything about him. I thought you made the point we shouldnt automatically believe things said by strangers online - so I can't take his side simply because you do?

He’s an actor, well known in the UK. Did you actually watch it? Then you can make your own mind up. It’s also been well documented on Twitter what abuse he’s had for saying he agreed with JK Rowling. If you want a timeline:

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-dreyfus-affair

No you don’t have to believe me. But if you’re not willing to accept the possibility that people are being punished for views deemed unacceptable, because of some need to prove the idea that you don’t have to believe and I am wrong, you’re no better than The Mob who is doing the cancelling. How many examples of people suffering do you need? Kathleen Stock has been physically intimidated by people at her workplace. To suggest this type of action is an invention of the political right is a denial of the reality of what’s happening.

Yes, I watched it, but it didn't include anything from the people who took the actions against him and GB News is an unreliable information source.

I know who James Dreyfus is, but I don't know him - there is a difference.

You clearly have a very strong view that other people are a mob, whereas you are a well-informed person. But you're just reading/watching stuff online yourself.

FYI I consider 'abuse on social media' to be entirely distinct from 'cancelling' - clearly the former happens all the time, to all sorts of people across the spectrum, and it absolutely should not.

Yes, I watched it, but it didn't include anything from the people who took the actions against him and GB News is an unreliable information source

Why is it unreliable? He himself is there telling you what happened. Are you saying you can’t believe him because of the place the interview took place?! How blinkered. It’s not someone else providing hearsay. And the link I provided has screenshots and links to the evidence. Did you see the evidence for yourself?

You clearly have a very strong view that other people are a mob, whereas you are a well-informed person. But you're just reading/watching stuff online yourself

No, not that other people are the mob compared to me, just that a mob exists, that you seek to deny. A cancel culture mob.

At Sussex University, a culture exists among its students that allows them to believe that verbally and physically threatening Professor Kathleen Stock is acceptable and protesting to the university to try and get her fired is a worthy course of action, just because she believes in the incontrovertible fact that humans can’t change sex. This has led to her living in fear at home and the police advising her to consider personal security. Do you think this has been fabricated by “the right”?

www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/12/kathleen-stock-is-the-real-victim-of-hate-here/

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/oct/12/professor-says-career-effectively-ended-by-unions-transphobia-claims

It doesn’t matter if they’re successful in having her fired. Cancel culture doesn’t mean they’re always successful. It means they try their very best to ruin people for having the wrong opinions.

@rrhuth

FYI I consider 'abuse on social media' to be entirely distinct from 'cancelling' - clearly the former happens all the time, to all sorts of people across the spectrum, and it absolutely should not.

Kathleen Stock was abused on Twitter, then they stepped it up a notch and physically abused her on campus. Why are they trying to do this, if cancel culture doesn’t exist?

When I worked as a theatre tech when I was around 18, another female crew member was ‘accidentally’ locked into Dressing Room 1 by Davidson so she was trapped against the door by him.

Put it this way, If I ever saw that piece of shite in person again I’d rip his ducking head off.

Vile man. The venue turned down his tours after that. According to our theatre manager, his promotors said we weren’t the only ones to do so after a visit from him.

You clearly have a very strong view that other people are a mob, whereas you are a well-informed person

You seem to think this too rrhuth, don't you?

@mustlovegin

You clearly have a very strong view that other people are a mob, whereas you are a well-informed person

You seem to think this too rrhuth, don't you?

I have my view and am at liberty to state it. It was the other person who referred to others as a 'mob' so no, I reject that.

Why is it unreliable? He himself is there telling you what happened

The Guardian, Channel 4, ITV and Netflix are the only 'reliable' sources according to some

I have my view and am at liberty to state it. It was the other person who referred to others as a 'mob' so no, I reject that.

But I didn’t. I didn’t refer to people other than me as The Mob. I pointed out that a Mob exists, a group of like-minded people who will bay for blood, metaphorically and in some cases literally, of women who express different opinions. They will gather and protest outside libraries:

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/megan-murphy-toronto-library-protest-1.5339909

They will protest other professors:

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-57170095

Cancel culture is the existence of a culture that believes this form of action is reasonable for those guilty of Wrongthink. To deny its existence is ludicrous.

He himself is there telling you what happened I was always taught there are three sides to every story, your side, my side and the truth.

That interview was one side only, so we have plenty missing.

Unless you know James Dreyfus personally, how do you know you've picked the right side?

Isn't the whole point that we shouldn't be jumping into either side?

So you don’t believe the screenshots? The visual evidence of his name being removed?

And Kathleen Stock? You don’t believe multiple news sites telling you students are currently actively trying to have a philosophy professor removed because of her views?

GB News, too right wing for Andrew Neil and made him cry. Dear me. That suggests, disregarding Dreyfus, that overall it's an unreliable news source. Maybe ask Mr Neil, one of its founders, how he feels about its current credibility.

@longwayoff

GB News, too right wing for Andrew Neil and made him cry. Dear me. That suggests, disregarding Dreyfus, that overall it's an unreliable news source. Maybe ask Mr Neil, one of its founders, how he feels about its current credibility.

But in this context, on discussing whether cancel culture exists or not, you’re not being asked to appraise GB News And its reliability. You have an interview with a person who is telling you his personal experience of cancel culture. It could have been filmed down the pub, it's just two people talking.

Felt uncomfortable as a kid watching Jim Davidson, but there are enough people like my in laws still around that would be queueing up to go and see him and others like him live.

Jim Davidson had issue with Ashley Banjo making a statement on a "tea time light entertainment show"
I couldn't believe the hypocrisy of it when he's probably told hundreds of sexist, misogynist, racist (and probably ageist and able-ist) "jokes" in the name of light entertainment.

@NotBadConsidering

So you don’t believe the screenshots? The visual evidence of his name being removed?

And Kathleen Stock? You don’t believe multiple news sites telling you students are currently actively trying to have a philosophy professor removed because of her views?

I have said nothing about Kathleen Stock

It could have been filmed down the pub, it's just two people talking This does pretty much sum up GB News

I have said nothing about Kathleen Stock confused

Yes. I noticed.