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How is Jim Davidson not cancelled?

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donemeover · 20/10/2021 02:27

If you've watched the documentary black and white by Ashley Banjo you will see what I mean.

This man is the most racist man I've seen on TV in recent years.

He's a disgrace.

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TestingTestingWonTooFree · 20/10/2021 07:21

He’s not cancelled. Theatres are not a democracy, they can book who they like. They’re free to avoid racist and sexist acts.

2Two · 20/10/2021 07:22

@Langsdestiny

I am quite uncomfortable that people think it's ok to stop someone performing, Roy Chubby Brown is deeply deeply sexist but nobody is forcing people to go to a show and watch him. My guess is most if not all of those campaigning against him will watch porn, something which is much more misogynistic and damaging than anything he has produced. But hey ho I am sure they feel they are the goid guys.

He's not being prevented from performing. The council has just decided it doesn't want him performing in their venues, which they have a perfect right to do. No-one has an obligation to allow their premises to be used by someone they don't want there.

cricketmum84 · 20/10/2021 07:22

Haven't watched the Ashley Banjo thing but I do remember JD on celeb BB and thinking he was a vile racist.

rrhuth · 20/10/2021 07:27

You can't cancel someone, 'cancel culture' has been invented by the right as part of their bullshit culture wars.

People can be de-platformed, which IMO is fine - if I have control of an organisation, I can organise it in three ways:

to suit myself
to suit the members
to suit the users/customers/clients

Organisations where members say 'we don't want this person' are not doing anything wrong.

Those who do want a particular event can organise anything they like in line with the law, and publish on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.

Free speech exists in this country just fine. As evidenced by the amount of shit posted everyday on every platform.

It is just that racists etc. are upset their views are now minority/unwanted.

knittingaddict · 20/10/2021 07:29

No, it doesn't mean trashing their reputation. I'm pretty sure most of these people manage that perfectly well on their own. It means removing opportunities to be their own "lovely" selves, so bans on social media, not playing their records, not commissioning them for new tv shows, not showing their previous shows.

Have mixed feelings about it myself. I certainly don't see why people that we know hold vile views should continue to profit from them.

gogohm · 20/10/2021 07:31

He was "cancelled" long before that term was used in that way! He's barely been seen on anything in years

knittingaddict · 20/10/2021 07:32

@rrhuth

You can't cancel someone, 'cancel culture' has been invented by the right as part of their bullshit culture wars.

People can be de-platformed, which IMO is fine - if I have control of an organisation, I can organise it in three ways:

to suit myself
to suit the members
to suit the users/customers/clients

Organisations where members say 'we don't want this person' are not doing anything wrong.

Those who do want a particular event can organise anything they like in line with the law, and publish on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.

Free speech exists in this country just fine. As evidenced by the amount of shit posted everyday on every platform.

It is just that racists etc. are upset their views are now minority/unwanted.

Great post.

logsonlogsoff · 20/10/2021 07:33

Does he have a prime tv show that I’m missing???
Even as a teenager I could see that he was horrible - racist,
Homophobic,
Sexist etc …
Absolute tool.
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CSJobseeker · 20/10/2021 07:33

@Nat6999

Chubby Brown has been banned from Council venues in Sheffield, there is a 40,000+ names petition to have his gig reinstated. The majority of people want the council to back down.

40,000 people is not a majority of Sheffield! And the petition will have been signed by plenty of twats who don't live in Sheffield too.

FlipFlops4Me · 20/10/2021 07:34

@rrhuth

You can't cancel someone, 'cancel culture' has been invented by the right as part of their bullshit culture wars.

People can be de-platformed, which IMO is fine - if I have control of an organisation, I can organise it in three ways:

to suit myself
to suit the members
to suit the users/customers/clients

Organisations where members say 'we don't want this person' are not doing anything wrong.

Those who do want a particular event can organise anything they like in line with the law, and publish on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.

Free speech exists in this country just fine. As evidenced by the amount of shit posted everyday on every platform.

It is just that racists etc. are upset their views are now minority/unwanted.

This is a really good post!

Fiercestcalm · 20/10/2021 07:35

I don’t get the adoration that surrounded Bruce Forsyth, he was incredibly misogynistic/ outright leery and of the same ilk as Jim Davison IMO.

CaptainCallisto · 20/10/2021 07:36

Jim Davidson was banned from our local (seaside so good box office) theatre in the late 90's/early 00's due to his behaviour backstage. I don't think there was a female member of backstage crew or bar staff that he hadn't felt up or insulted, and the dancers who did a cabaret spot as his warm up (of whom I was one) had a really rough time of it. His second half was delayed by fifteen minutes during one of his summer shows after he stuck his hand down the front of my dress during the interval and I elbowed him in the ribs and winded him. I was 15.

rrhuth · 20/10/2021 07:37

I also think the type of government we have now is not overtly racist but is pro-racism, they need a group visibly/audibly more racist than them in order to not look so extreme.

It is a government talking about deliberately taking actions that will cause fellow humans to drown. This government needs a) overt racists and b) arguments about peripheral issues.

CSJobseeker · 20/10/2021 07:38

@AdelindSchade

I wish people wouldn't say it was acceptable in the eighties or whatever because it really wasn't. Not in our house it wasn't. I was well aware from the 70s onwards about JD and others like him, Benny Hill for instance. My mum didn't aporove of 'racialism' or 'chauvinism' as called then. There was nothing exceptional anout her - she was from a white northern working class background. So how did she manage to work it out? She can't have been the only one.

Is disgraceful that Davidson was on tv for so long.

Same here, I come from a white working class background and my parents were open about their views on this type of 'comedian' in the 80s. The TV would be turned off if the likes of Jim Davidson came on.

CSJobseeker · 20/10/2021 07:43

@rrhuth

I also think the type of government we have now is not overtly racist but is pro-racism, they need a group visibly/audibly more racist than them in order to not look so extreme.

It is a government talking about deliberately taking actions that will cause fellow humans to drown. This government needs a) overt racists and b) arguments about peripheral issues.

This is a valid point.

Regarding Sheffield council, I think they can make whatever decisions they want about the use of their venues. It's not cancellation because there are other venues out there, and councils actually have a responsibility to tackle racism, not give it a platform.

Samcro · 20/10/2021 07:45

whilst we are cancelling him, can we do the disablist twunt Frankie Boil?

ScreamingMeMesaur · 20/10/2021 07:46

@PerseverancePays

He came to my daughter’s high school in the nineties when she was part of a show. She said in the photographs where they had line up to pose with him , he always had his arms at the back and groping them while grinning at the camera. They were 14. Disgusting man.

He always did give me the creeps, so this doesn't surprise me. I bet he wouldn't be allowed in schools now!

Technosaurus · 20/10/2021 07:53

I can't stand Roy Chubby Brown but I signed the petition - it's ridiculous that they cancelled his gigs. I don't like his patter so I don't go to his shows, but that doesn't mean others should be banned from doing so.

By the same logic I can't stand jazz music so I don't go to jazz gigs either, but I wouldn't ban them for the small minority who do like it.

Same with Jim Davidson really. Awful man, wouldn't get the steam off my piss, but if others want to give him £25 of their hard earned money for 2 hours of his "act", that's totally up to them

Tal45 · 20/10/2021 07:53

I look back on the 80's now (when I was young) and think god there were so many vile men on tv.

Pottedpalm · 20/10/2021 07:54

@RicherThanYow

He is an absolutely vile individual, of that there’s no doubt. But you cannot “cancel” a human being. It’s a simplistic, misguided notion which doesn’t actually lead to any positive change. That kind of insidious social censorship feels very uncomfortable and I just don’t think it’s the right way to deal with things. Even nasty old Jim.

I agree; succinctly put.

MrsRobbieHart · 20/10/2021 07:56

Cancelled in what way? You can’t cancel people. They’re allowed to exist. Even the vile ones.

stalkersaga · 20/10/2021 07:56

What pp said about "cancel culture". Not being interested in paying people is not the same thing as "cancelling" them. Jim Davidson still has access to all the usual free platforms to expound his repellent views and absolutely nobody is arresting him. It's frankly offensive for right-wing dickbags to try and claim the martyrdom mantle of e.g. dissidents in China who are genuinely being oppressed for their views.

ScreamingMeMesaur · 20/10/2021 07:57

@Tal45

I look back on the 80's now (when I was young) and think god there were so many vile men on tv.

The 90s too. We have a ways to go, but we've come a long way in some respects.

stalkersaga · 20/10/2021 07:59

Also, Chubby Brown hasn't been prevented from performing. He's absolutely free to perform at any privately owned venue in Sheffield, of which there will be many. The council has just declined to have racist and sexist views expounded on its publicly funded turf. If he can't find a private venue, well, then evidently none of them think he's a profitable risk.

rrhuth · 20/10/2021 08:02

No one is cancelling anyone.

This is made up phrase designed to provoke outrage amongst idiots.

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