How is Jim Davidson not cancelled?

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If you've watched the documentary black and white by Ashley Banjo you will see what I mean.

This man is the most racist man I've seen on TV in recent years.

He's a disgrace.

Years ago I went to see Roy chubby brown in shoreham. Crowd was in stitches. People that go to his show find him hilarious, don't go if you're offended.

@Sillawithans

Years ago I went to see Roy chubby brown in shoreham. Crowd was in stitches. People that go to his show find him hilarious, don't go if you're offended.

Yeah, some people still find racism hilarious.

@Sillawithans

Years ago I went to see Roy chubby brown in shoreham. Crowd was in stitches. People that go to his show find him hilarious, don't go if you're offended.

So it's OK if he's being racist so long as people of minority races keep well away from the white men's entertainment?

Roy chubby brown recently had a show cancelled I think it was maybe Nottingham him I thought good for them there is no place in the world for his "comedy" there was a protest of 2! wittering on about snowflakes and free speech.

So it's OK if he's being racist so long as people of minority races keep well away from the white men's entertainment?

Yes, in the same way I avoid Nish Kumar because of this:

"I want you white people in the audience to do something for me - I want you to go home and kill your racist Brexit-voting parents."

I avoid Nish Kumar because he's just not funny.

But there's no such thing as reverse racism.

@VanGoghsDog. TBF, Snoozy never mentioned racism. They just mirrored a comment about minorities keeping away from white men's entertaiment. Ie a white person keeping away from a British Asian joking about the murder of white people.

Just seen clip of this tonight on Gogglebox. What an odious little gnome Davidson is. The last time I saw him on TV- obviously, watching him is never a choice - he was on some cooking thing, years ago, following Marco Pierre White around like a puppy 'look at my mashed potato, Marco, am I doing it right Marco? Marco look, at my potato'. He's an absolute grotesquely with an intellect to match. Away with him.

[quote madisonbridges]@VanGoghsDog. TBF, Snoozy never mentioned racism. They just mirrored a comment about minorities keeping away from white men's entertaiment. Ie a white person keeping away from a British Asian joking about the murder of white people.[/quote]
It's not the same. If you can't see why it's not the same, that's your deficiency, but that overt ridiculous comment is not remotely the same.

@rrhuth

You can't cancel someone, 'cancel culture' has been invented by the right as part of their bullshit culture wars.

People can be de-platformed, which IMO is fine - if I have control of an organisation, I can organise it in three ways:

• to suit myself
• to suit the members
• to suit the users/customers/clients

Organisations where members say 'we don't want this person' are not doing anything wrong.

Those who do want a particular event can organise anything they like in line with the law, and publish on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.

Free speech exists in this country just fine. As evidenced by the amount of shit posted everyday on every platform.

It is just that racists etc. are upset their views are now minority/unwanted.

What a load of rubbish. Cancel culture has been “invented” by the right?

Here is James Dreyfus talking about how his name was being erased from the work he did on the audio version of Doctor Who, Master and had his face removed from art work because he co-signed a letter of support for JK Rowling.

To pretend that cancel culture isn’t a thing is just as bad propaganda. It's all very well to say it’s only racists who get deservedly de-platformed, but the reality is that the term “hate speech” has devolved to a state that now means “a view we don’t agree with”. Everyone’s first response on hearing that people are angry with someone for what they’ve said should instantly be “what did they actually say?” before making up their mind. You can’t take the word of The Mob, because The Mob lie repeatedly. A useful rule of thumb though, these days it’s often stating biological reality, or sticking up for women’s rights.

James Dreyfus is speaking freely on a so-called 'news' channel, so no problem with his free speech rights it appears.

I agree the extraordinary abuse on social media of all sorts of people is appalling, but people are not being cancelled, free speech is alive and kicking.

James Dreyfus is speaking freely on a so-called 'news' channel, so no problem with his free speech rights it appears.

A few years later, after his work was actively deleted.

I’m not talking about free speech rights being cancelled, I’m talking about actual work being erased from history, employment opportunities being denied. That’s cancel culture; making sure people with the “wrong” views suffer as a result. It’s not about stopping them speaking ever.

@VanGoghsDog

I avoid Nish Kumar because he's just not funny.

But there's no such thing as reverse racism.

racism is racism - no matter which way around it is.

@NotBadConsidering

James Dreyfus is speaking freely on a so-called 'news' channel, so no problem with his free speech rights it appears.

A few years later, after his work was actively deleted.

I’m not talking about free speech rights being cancelled, I’m talking about actual work being erased from history, employment opportunities being denied. That’s cancel culture; making sure people with the “wrong” views suffer as a result. It’s not about stopping them speaking ever.

So you accept that free speech remains in place.

I do not know if James Dreyfus' account is complete, so I can't really comment on that.

@AdelindSchade

I wish people wouldn't say it was acceptable in the eighties or whatever because it really wasn't. Not in our house it wasn't. I was well aware from the 70s onwards about JD and others like him, Benny Hill for instance. My mum didn't aporove of 'racialism' or 'chauvinism' as called then. There was nothing exceptional anout her - she was from a white northern working class background. So how did she manage to work it out? She can't have been the only one.

Is disgraceful that Davidson was on tv for so long.

I agree with you But I mostly wanted to say I got very confused when I saw your handle!

racism is racism - no matter which way around it is.

Racism requires power imbalance. Prejudice against people from specific races isn't the same thing as racism. Black people in the U.K. don't have structural power over white people ergo black on white racism doesn't exist.

I am quite uncomfortable that people think it's ok to stop someone performing

I agree.

So you accept that free speech remains in place

I never said it wasn’t. I contradicted your ridiculous claim that cancel culture is an invention of the political right, because you don’t actually understand what cancel culture entails. You only have to look at what’s happening to Kathleen Stock to see it in action, if you for some reason don’t believe Dreyfus, a thoroughly decent man.

@NotBadConsidering

So you accept that free speech remains in place

I never said it wasn’t. I contradicted your ridiculous claim that cancel culture is an invention of the political right, because you don’t actually understand what cancel culture entails. You only have to look at what’s happening to Kathleen Stock to see it in action, if you for some reason don’t believe Dreyfus, a thoroughly decent man.

I don't know James Dreyfus, so I can't say anything about him. I thought you made the point we shouldnt automatically believe things said by strangers online - so I can't take his side simply because you do?

@MamsellMarie

I am quite uncomfortable that people think it's ok to stop someone performing

I agree.

No one is being prevented from performing. Some people have had bookings for certain venues turned down or retracted.

The people who own those venues are free to do that.

There are many things I disagree with - gentlemen's clubs for example - but they can exist.

I don't know James Dreyfus, so I can't say anything about him. I thought you made the point we shouldnt automatically believe things said by strangers online - so I can't take his side simply because you do?

He’s an actor, well known in the UK. Did you actually watch it? Then you can make your own mind up. It’s also been well documented on Twitter what abuse he’s had for saying he agreed with JK Rowling. If you want a timeline:

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-dreyfus-affair

No you don’t have to believe me. But if you’re not willing to accept the possibility that people are being punished for views deemed unacceptable, because of some need to prove the idea that you don’t have to believe and I am wrong, you’re no better than The Mob who is doing the cancelling. How many examples of people suffering do you need? Kathleen Stock has been physically intimidated by people at her workplace. To suggest this type of action is an invention of the political right is a denial of the reality of what’s happening.

I agree the extraordinary abuse on social media of all sorts of people is appalling, but people are not being cancelled, free speech is alive and kicking.

Aren't students trying to get Kathleen Stock sacked. I must be in some parallel universe

@MamsellMarie

I agree the extraordinary abuse on social media of all sorts of people is appalling, but people are not being cancelled, free speech is alive and kicking.

Aren't students trying to get Kathleen Stock sacked. I must be in some parallel universe

Yes, and her union sided with her employer.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4372991-Kathleen-Stock-s-union-betrays-her

But sure, cancel culture is just an invention of the right .

We know what internalised misogyny is.

But is there a term for it when ordinary citizens beg the powers that be to be even more repressive, strip yet more of our freedoms away?

Internalised jackbootlickery?

Back in the late 90s I went to my then partners works Xmas do.
I wasn't told the 'entertainment ' was Jim Davidson or I definitely would not have gone.
He lived up to his reputation of being a vile, misogynistic, racist cockwomble.
He reduced one poor woman to tears when she got up to go to the ladies during his 'set'. He got booed. He didn't finish and was very aggressive.
He doesn't deserve airtime. 😡