Page 6 | How is Jim Davidson not cancelled?

Snoozysnoozy · 21/10/2021 05:22

Look at us here, speaking freely.

No we're not, we're speaking in line with the rules of MN and hate speech laws. If you're in Scotland those laws are even tighter.

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 21/10/2021 06:02

This isn't about free speech this it? Sexism and racism are illegal. Making fun of someone's accent or appearance based on gender or ethnicity is more than just 'widely unacceptable'. He can think whatever he likes, he can say whatever he likes in private, but airing those views publicly is not a matter of free speech imho. This is not the same as holding controversial views.

madisonbridges · 21/10/2021 06:30

He hasn't been prosecuted for what he's said, and it's not like the police haven't been interested in him, so I guess he hasn't said anything that breaks the law.

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donemeover · 21/10/2021 08:18

@mustlovegin

Some people on the thread were claiming th6at racism would go away if people stopped talking about it

TBH 6+ years ago pre BLM, I didn't hear anyone discuss the topic (let alone in the media) and there didn't seem to be as much animosity from both 'sides' as there is today. Maybe I'm naïve but everyone appeared to coexist peacefully in the UK as opposed to the current shambles. Identity politics we have imported from abroad and dubious ideologies have made the situation a lot worse rather than resulting in any change for the better

Put up and shut up is what you're suggesting? Wow

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Mrsjayy · 21/10/2021 08:25

I remember he was on a celeb show and called Brian Dowling a shirt lifter and gay men had a sneer about them I'm glad he faded away into oblivion probably mutters about everything being to PC etc etc he is a revolting man . I recorded the programme will watch it soon.

mustlovegin · 21/10/2021 08:58

Put up and shut up is what you're suggesting? Wow

No, what I'm saying is that (as far as I could see) nobody had anything to 'put up' with as everyone was treated with respect.

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donemeover · 21/10/2021 09:03

@mustlovegin

Put up and shut up is what you're suggesting? Wow

No, what I'm saying is that (as far as I could see) nobody had anything to 'put up' with as everyone was treated with respect.

I am guessing you're a majority group? So how would you know exactly how victims of racism are treated?

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jetadore · 21/10/2021 09:13

Free speech?

hangrylady · 21/10/2021 09:18

Those saying he's not been around for years, he very much is. There's a theatre local to me and I was on their website looking for stuff to go and see and he's doing live standup there and in other venues also. I think JD is a dick but I don't think people should be cancelled, if you don't like someone don't go and see them. Frankie Boyle tells jokes about disabled kids which I find offensive but he's fine because he's 'intellectual' I guess.

mustlovegin · 21/10/2021 09:20

So how would you know exactly how victims of racism are treated?

I'm saying what I saw in my immediate surroundings, and I haven't exactly lived a cocooned life.

I personally didn't witness any animosity before, whilst nowadays it's all divisive indoctrination, 'documentaries' trying to play one group against the other, etc. None of it seems to be done in good faith. I don't see anything good ever coming out of all of this. It's just what I perceive and my opinion, which I'm entitled to.

Meatshake · 21/10/2021 09:20

@Samcro

whilst we are cancelling him, can we do the disablist twunt Frankie Boil?

Ikr, I've never managed to get past what he did to that mother of a downs syndrome child 💔 I was in the audience and it was just horrendous. She was so polite, calm and dignified and he completely laid into her.

www.theguardian.com/society/2010/apr/08/frankie-boyle-downs-syndrome

LakieLady · 21/10/2021 09:24

@MrsTerryPratchett

The paper is from the town that has recently been agreed to be allowed city status...

Not Croydon? My manor.

Croydon hasn't got city status, has it?

I thought that one of the requirements for city status was to have well-run local government, and Croydon had to issue a S114 notice last year, declaring itself effectively bankrupt.

BigFatLiar · 21/10/2021 09:26

@donemeover

If you've watched the documentary black and white by Ashley Banjo you will see what I mean.

This man is the most racist man I've seen on TV in recent years.

He's a disgrace.

Jim Davidson is hardly mainstream these days.

One of the reasons he (and others) are trotted out for these sort of interviews is the producers know it's going to get talked about and that's the main attraction, they don't want a documentary where the viewers watch and say well that was nice, they want a bit of moral indignation and outrage.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 21/10/2021 09:28

I still can’t get over how he won Celebrity Big Brother, he was a gaslighting arsehole on there. Awful person.

LakieLady · 21/10/2021 09:32

@mustlovegin

Some people on the thread were claiming th6at racism would go away if people stopped talking about it

TBH 6+ years ago pre BLM, I didn't hear anyone discuss the topic (let alone in the media) and there didn't seem to be as much animosity from both 'sides' as there is today. Maybe I'm naïve but everyone appeared to coexist peacefully in the UK as opposed to the current shambles. Identity politics we have imported from abroad and dubious ideologies have made the situation a lot worse rather than resulting in any change for the better

I don't know where in the country you live, but in London it was widely discussed as long ago as the 70s, when I started work. I had a real culture shock when I went to work for a shire county council in 1991, and casual racism was still a thing among my colleagues.

If there is more animosity today, it may be that despite 50 years or more of people fighting racism, there's still a hell of a long way to go and people are getting tired of pointing out how entrenched racism is in some aspects of our society.

stalkersaga · 21/10/2021 10:57

@mustlovegin

So how would you know exactly how victims of racism are treated?

I'm saying what I saw in my immediate surroundings, and I haven't exactly lived a cocooned life.

I personally didn't witness any animosity before, whilst nowadays it's all divisive indoctrination, 'documentaries' trying to play one group against the other, etc. None of it seems to be done in good faith. I don't see anything good ever coming out of all of this. It's just what I perceive and my opinion, which I'm entitled to.

...wow. that is mindbogglingly complacent and self-absorbed. "I didn't personally see racism in the past even though data and lived experiences tell us it was everywhere and indeed still is, so I much preferred it when black people just tolerated it and weren't doing so much whining all the time."

You do recall that one of the big drivers of Black Lives Matter is that in the US the police routinely kill black people, at a rate far far higher than white people, right? But that's OK with you. As long as your comfortable worldview doesn't get disrupted by people pushing back and challenging racism.

I'm sure a lot of people secretly feel like you; they just usually aren't so blatant about it.

Mamamia7962 · 21/10/2021 11:09

I really hate this cancellation culture, it's ridiculous. If you don't like an entertainer then don't watch them on TV or pay to see them live. I can't stand Frankie Boyle but if other people find him funny and want to pay to go and see him I don't have a problem with that.

MysteriousMonkey · 21/10/2021 11:17

Because he has an older fan base that don't care about 'cancelled'. Because venues know that this fan base will come to see him and are usually the venues that wouldn't attract the massive names so will keep booking him.

MysteriousMonkey · 21/10/2021 11:18

I also hate cancel culture. Its ridiculous. I do not like Jim Davidson, he's an utter prick but you cannot cancel people. Not to anyone that really likes them

mustlovegin · 21/10/2021 12:23

stalker I didn't say any of that, so please stop twisting my words.

Please try to explain to me how bringing someone from group A (likely under false pretences) onto prime time TV to be virtually lynched by group B for the majority of the country (who belong to group A) to witness will help relations and a peaceful coexistence? Can't you see how much damage this can do? This lazy, self-indulgent and proselytising 'shows' give real documentaries a bad name. I hope people wise up and stop unwittingly becoming escape goats for revengeful agendas. And I'm not defending JD as I haven't seen any of his shows, but that's not the point here.

the US police

You keep going on about the US police, we are in the UK, and most will relate to their UK lived experience

Siameasy · 21/10/2021 12:25

The idea of cancelling is very absolute and dramatic but typical of online-speak. In reality we tend not to talk in such black and white ways-he’s fallen out of favour and isn’t that popular anymore.
It’s similar to fur; it’s become socially unacceptable to wear it so most people don’t. But it can’t be “cancelled”.

RudestLittleMadam · 21/10/2021 12:26

I think he’s mostly a pariah but occasionally pops up again like genital herpes so that we all can’t forget him, mores the pity. He really is an odious shit.

stalkersaga · 21/10/2021 13:17

@mustlovegin

stalker I didn't say any of that, so please stop twisting my words.

Please try to explain to me how bringing someone from group A (likely under false pretences) onto prime time TV to be virtually lynched by group B for the majority of the country (who belong to group A) to witness will help relations and a peaceful coexistence? Can't you see how much damage this can do? This lazy, self-indulgent and proselytising 'shows' give real documentaries a bad name. I hope people wise up and stop unwittingly becoming escape goats for revengeful agendas. And I'm not defending JD as I haven't seen any of his shows, but that's not the point here.

the US police

You keep going on about the US police, we are in the UK, and most will relate to their UK lived experience

I mentioned the US police once, because much of the BLM movement, and the specific dance performed by Ashley Banjo, was spurred by the death of George Floyd at their hands. The UK police also have an awful record of proven, entrenched, and institutional racism, although fortunately with fewer outright killings of black people. That's not exactly a high bar to set.

For your information, referring to a white man being questioned by a black man as "virtually lynched" is also really quite offensive.

I don't see any reason why Black people should keep quiet for the sake of "peaceful coexistence". I certainly don't require them to not hold the toes of outright racists like JD to the fire. More while people should join them and do the same. The privileging of "peaceful coexistence" over transparency, justice, and being willing to listen to the experiences of people of colour is a white agenda of convenience which I reject.

2Two · 21/10/2021 13:40

@Mamamia7962

I really hate this cancellation culture, it's ridiculous. If you don't like an entertainer then don't watch them on TV or pay to see them live. I can't stand Frankie Boyle but if other people find him funny and want to pay to go and see him I don't have a problem with that.

There really is a line between people who you dislike and people who are bigoted racists who foment hatred of ethnic and religious minorities. Other issues apart, the latter are breaking the law, to say nothing of the fact that we really should make it 100% clear that it is NOT OK to facilitate what they are doing by giving them a platform for it. Their free speech is not being muzzled in any way.

Mrsjayy · 21/10/2021 15:03

I still can’t get over how he won Celebrity Big Brother, he was a gaslighting arsehole on there. Awful person.

I totally forgot he won that must have blocked it out I do remember he spent his time stirring and arguing with a Nolan sister !