Page 5 | How is Jim Davidson not cancelled?

donemeover · 2021-10-20T01:27:41+00:00

If you've watched the documentary black and white by Ashley Banjo you will see what I mean. This man is the most racist man I've seen on TV in recent years. He's a disgrace.

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/10/2021 14:55

@Nat6999

Chubby Brown has been banned from Council venues in Sheffield, there is a 40,000+ names petition to have his gig reinstated. The majority of people want the council to back down.

I'd have signed that. Not because I want to avail myself of his dubious 'tale t'. But because if you want JK and Germaine you have to allow this arse.

Free speech, even if I despise it.

CSJobseeker · 20/10/2021 15:04

Venues are free to choose who they hire to though. Not hiring a venue to someone doesn't remove their freedom of speech.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 20/10/2021 15:07

But RCB is a stand-up comedian, and this was an entertainment gig that the charitable trust who operate the venue decided they did not want to proceed with, after some organisations raised concerns with them.

Not really a free speech issue is it? Comedian gets a gig turned down?

wolfstarling · 20/10/2021 15:07

Jim Davidson and Chubby Brown etc were controversial in the day and I don't know anyone who liked them in the 80s although I appreciate they were popular with a certain type of meathead.

Snoozysnoozy · 20/10/2021 15:10

Cancel culture is certainly real and it's always been around in one form or another, like blasphemy laws for example. It's to late to have any significant impact on the likes of Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson who have already made their money and are fading into obscurity. Or as Bernard Manning put it "you're £6 million too late". It's also seen the cancellation of gender critical feminists or "TERFs" who are put there fighting for the rights of women.

Perhaps you agree that stopping others with the "wrong" opinions it a good thing (and I don't want to see openly racist comedians telling shit jokes from the 70's), but I would think long and hard about whether you want to champion such behaviour. I don't know what's around the corner and what I may disagree with but I'd like to be able to argue my point without fear losing my job because I don't agree with current orthodoxy.

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/10/2021 15:13

the charitable trust who operate the venue decided they did not want to proceed with, after some organisations raised concerns with them.

See that phrase 'raised concerns' now strikes fear into my heart. 1984 fear. When did activism stop being about solving an issue and become about stopping people doing things you don't approve of?

Many people and organisations are 'raising concern' about all sorts of things. Let people vote with their feet and let the racist comedians play smaller and smaller events until they die an existential death. In obscurity because we stopped giving them the oxygen of publicity.

rrhuth · 20/10/2021 15:17

I think raising concerns and venues not hosting events is also part of a free society.

No one is stopping Davidson speaking. There is no right to hire a town theatre, there is a right to free speech, which remains in place.

rrhuth · 20/10/2021 15:19

When did activism stop being about solving an issue and become about stopping people doing things you don't approve of?

Maybe when Jesus chucked the money lenders out of the temple? Activism has always been about stopping people doing things you think are wrong.

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/10/2021 15:28

@rrhuth

When did activism stop being about solving an issue and become about stopping people doing things you don't approve of?

Maybe when Jesus chucked the money lenders out of the temple? Activism has always been about stopping people doing things you think are wrong.

If all he'd done is whine and manhandle people, he wouldn't be famous. The forgiveness, loaves and fishes, and curing lepers are more 'on brand'. I always think he was having a shitty day and regretted that afterwards. He certainly treated Judas differently.

rrhuth · 20/10/2021 16:03

@MrsTerryPratchett I can forgive Jim Davidson after kicking him out of the temple theatre

2Two · 20/10/2021 17:11

Many people and organisations are 'raising concern' about all sorts of things. Let people vote with their feet and let the racist comedians play smaller and smaller events until they die an existential death. In obscurity because we stopped giving them the oxygen of publicity

I don't see how that translates into an obligation for people to own venues deciding who they want to hire them out to? If I owned a public hall, for instance, there is no way I would want the likes of Davidson to hire it, not least because I wouldn't want his face outside my hall, and I wouldn't want any implication that I supported or condoned his views and attitudes in any way. As soon as they start hiring venues they are instantly getting more publicity anyway.

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/10/2021 17:43

I wouldn't either. But the issue is when organisations are lent on by single issue groups with power well outside what their membership numbers should mean. Twitter pile ons, spamming venues, even threatening people.

It's happening with libraries, bookshops, universities. Places where a wide range of voices, even ones I hate, should be heard.

Know thine enemy. Swimming in a very small pool intellectually means it's full of pee.

Snowballs1 · 20/10/2021 21:49

The local paper mentioned him storming out of the interview on facebook, here's a selection of the reactions, pretty depressing. The paper is from the town that has recently been agreed to be allowed city status...

Original poster

donemeover · 20/10/2021 21:54

@Snowballs1 wow, and people deny racism exists! 😏

OP posts:

Snowballs1 · 20/10/2021 21:58

Yes my thought exactly. Some people on the thread were claiming that racism would go away if people stopped talking about it 🙄 There were a few dissenting voices but they did not have any likes, let alones loves!

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/10/2021 22:15

The paper is from the town that has recently been agreed to be allowed city status...

Not Croydon? My manor.

Snowballs1 · 20/10/2021 22:19

Southend, have always thought this area is very racist, I do hope he is not so popular still everywhere

callmeadoctor · 20/10/2021 22:28

YABU for using the expression "cancelled". It is a revolting expression.

mustlovegin · 21/10/2021 00:04

Some people on the thread were claiming th6at racism would go away if people stopped talking about it

TBH 6+ years ago pre BLM, I didn't hear anyone discuss the topic (let alone in the media) and there didn't seem to be as much animosity from both 'sides' as there is today. Maybe I'm naïve but everyone appeared to coexist peacefully in the UK as opposed to the current shambles. Identity politics we have imported from abroad and dubious ideologies have made the situation a lot worse rather than resulting in any change for the better

DerAlteMann · 21/10/2021 00:56

People who hold racist or other widely unacceptable views have no automatic right to be given access to e.g. primetime TV contracts.

Who are you to say what is, or is not, "widely unacceptable". The death or any respect for freedom of speech is probably the most distressing thing about the 21st century.

rrhuth · 21/10/2021 02:25

@mustlovegin

Some people on the thread were claiming th6at racism would go away if people stopped talking about it

TBH 6+ years ago pre BLM, I didn't hear anyone discuss the topic (let alone in the media) and there didn't seem to be as much animosity from both 'sides' as there is today. Maybe I'm naïve but everyone appeared to coexist peacefully in the UK as opposed to the current shambles. Identity politics we have imported from abroad and dubious ideologies have made the situation a lot worse rather than resulting in any change for the better

Just to check - you're blaming the emergence of BLM for driving racism?

You don't think BLM evolved as a response to existing racism?

Hmm. 'Naive' isn't the word that immediately springs to my mind.

there didn't seem to be as much animosity from both 'sides' as there is today - there are not two equal sides when it comes to racism. There are racists, and non-racists, and these positions are not equally valid.

All in all, this is a pretty Trumpian way of looking at things - that it was all better when people quietly accepted racism and didn't make too much fuss.

rrhuth · 21/10/2021 02:29

@DerAlteMann

People who hold racist or other widely unacceptable views have no automatic right to be given access to e.g. primetime TV contracts.

Who are you to say what is, or is not, "widely unacceptable". The death or any respect for freedom of speech is probably the most distressing thing about the 21st century.

it is pretty obvious when something becomes widely unacceptable. Loads of things don't get commissioned by TV execs because it is not what the viewing public want.

Or maybe we should just let everyone enter a TV show raffle and give everyone a fair pop?

Getting on the telly has nothing to do with free speech. There has been no death of free speech. Look at us here, speaking freely.

madisonbridges · 21/10/2021 02:39

Didn't Jim Davidson win Big Brother? I think that gave him some revival. He has Linda Nolan to thank for that. I got a free ticket for a pantomime of his on the 90s. He was on with Charlie Drake. I walked out at the interval. He wasn't really sexist but it was just full of fart jokes. Not funny at all but not worthy of cancelling.

There are a lot of singers around denigrating women as hos and bitches. And the treatment of women within the music industry is shocking. If you want to cancel people, why don't you start a campaign to cancel them? They do a lot more harm than Jim Davidson.

FrenchBulldogsareFab · 21/10/2021 02:51

I find Coleen Nolan more offensive and wish she were cancelled and banished from TV.

Dontgetyerknicksinatwist · 21/10/2021 03:49

I don’t like him but equally I can’t stand this whole cancel culture thing. It’s so childish