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To not let daughter go and get ice cream?

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iamfamousnow · 18/10/2021 13:19

My daughter has just turned 8 and her attitude is atrocious recently. She got her hoverboard and screen time removed from her all of last week over the October hols due to her bad behaviour. Calling me stupid, talking back, arguing with everything I say. Her dad came around and removed hoverboard and she hadn't had screen time all week and was to write a paragraph each day of what she had done that day to help me.

She wrote a paragraph one day. When her dad came to pick her up Friday he sat with her whilst she did the other three paragraphs and so when she went to his house for the weekend he gave her back her hoverboard and screen time.

This morning when he was dropping her back off to me he said she had lost them again today due to her behaviour this morning, getting angry and shouting at him. He then said if she was good for me today that he would pick her up tonight and take her for an ice cream.

She's been okay, however, as I was making her lunch she came into the kitchen and sang, 'my mum is an A S S H O L E' I said 'that's enough, that's not nice'. She then did it again. I said okay no Ice cream now and she was screaming and crying saying she is sorry and was only joking.

Now I have to admit I've been a very laid back parent probably to a fault, we are more friends usually than mother and daughter which is not a good thing. That's why I am now trying to be a lot stricter and come down hard and stick to what I say. However I don't really know how to do that. What a reasonable punishment is and I always feel so guilty punishing her.

I wasn't raised with boundaries so it's hard to implement them in my house.

AIBU to stop her from going for ice cream if she was only joking?

OP posts:
JustLyra · 18/10/2021 21:46

@iamfamousnow

She just said to me, I'm done with being cheeky, I tried it for a while but there was too many punishments so I'm going back to being good Confused
I wonder if she's seen something at school or in a friend that has sparked this.

We had a month of horrific behaviour from my DS2 when he was 7 and it was baffling. He then brought up "rewards" for behaving.
He'd totally misconstrued something he'd seen at school (a kid who struggled was awarded stickers a few times a day as a little and often thing, then that child went to Alton Towers for his sister's birthday and DS mistakenly thought it was related to the stickers) and was trying to "win" the rewards by misbehaving then behaving.

AccidentallyOnPurpose · 18/10/2021 21:53

You mention screens OP.

What is she using on them? What is she watching? What is she playing? Is she on any SM? Who is she talking to? Is she on youtube/tiktok etc unsupervised and without parental controls?

Do you check her screens regularly to see what's going on on there?

mrsdootfear · 18/10/2021 22:14

@00100001

Soo..there's no new joiners in her year/class? There's no new friendships/fallouts? The teacher is good? DDS attainment has stayed the same? Nothing has changed with Dad?
Actually...her class has changed, this year she, along with a few other of her friends were moved into a composite class. I never even thought of that. She doesn't seem to really mention the other kids as she still has her best friends with her and the teacher said she has settled in well.
mrsdootfear · 18/10/2021 22:19

@AccidentallyOnPurpose

You mention screens OP.

What is she using on them? What is she watching? What is she playing? Is she on any SM? Who is she talking to? Is she on youtube/tiktok etc unsupervised and without parental controls?

Do you check her screens regularly to see what's going on on there?

She just watches YouTube and plays Roblox. YouTube she just watches people playing Roblox 🤣 she watches it on shared iPad and yeah I know what she's watching and she's not allowed to chat to anyone on Roblox and I do check. She has said to me before, this person said hi can I reply? It's always a no.
00100001 · 18/10/2021 22:21

@mrsdootfear

Time to start asking specific questions of your daughter..ask things like this or drop little "revelations" in from your own school days to try a d open the conversation up

Who do you sit next to?
What's the best thing about school?
What's your favourite subject?
When we were at school there was a naughty kid that got to have special rewards when they behaved, made me want to be naughty!

What games did you play at play time, who with? We used to play X game.bit so and so used to cheat, I hated that.

See if you can find out what is actually going on...

00100001 · 18/10/2021 22:22

Also, how big is her class now? If it's a composite one?

mrsdootfear · 18/10/2021 22:24

[quote 00100001]@mrsdootfear

Time to start asking specific questions of your daughter..ask things like this or drop little "revelations" in from your own school days to try a d open the conversation up

Who do you sit next to?
What's the best thing about school?
What's your favourite subject?
When we were at school there was a naughty kid that got to have special rewards when they behaved, made me want to be naughty!

What games did you play at play time, who with? We used to play X game.bit so and so used to cheat, I hated that.

See if you can find out what is actually going on...[/quote]
Name change fail whoops! I have screenshotted this. Thank you so much, I will ask these questions tomorrow and see if anything comes up.

mrsdootfear · 18/10/2021 22:25

@00100001

Also, how big is her class now? If it's a composite one?
I think it's roughly the same size as last year to be honest.
Graphista · 18/10/2021 22:54

You're right to have boundaries - which she knows! - and stick to them

I was according to my dd one of the stricter mums BUT that paid off later as she was better behaved than other kids and she was also more mature and better at acting independently as she got older so she had more freedom than many of her friends/peers at the mid teens stage, because I knew I could trust her

But there was a lot of hard work went into getting her to that stage.

I did go through a phase - when dd was around this age - of getting very frustrated and dishing out excessive sanctions which I then couldn't add to or walk back from. My mum advised me to not paint myself into a corner, always give myself options both if she behaved better and if she behaved worse

Eg bad behaviour of being cheeky = one day grounded (this was the thing dd hated most she couldn't care less about losing toys/material possessions but she hated not being allowed out)

But - more cheekiness - more days added

Genuine much better behaviour - a different reward could be implemented eg going to her favourite park the day after the day of being grounded

Worked pretty well for me

I agree that the key is consistency - what are your "deal breakers"?

For me it was -

No lying - this was the big one for me. I'm pretty open as a person and dd could talk to me about anything but I would never accept dishonesty - inc lies of omission

No cheekiness/respectful
behaviour expected

No doing anything dangerous/banned - eg there was a park near us poorly maintained and equipment was very dodgy so she wasn't allowed to go there

Doing as she was told the 1st time she was told - no messing about or arguing - she found this hard at first but learned

As she got older

Curfew time - she HAD to be in for this and if she was late, grounded for a day. No excuses. She knew how long it took her to get home from the places she went with friends she had a watch and then a phone and was perfectly capable of organising herself to be home on time

No slacking on school - inc homework.

When going out with friends she had to tell me where, who with and when she expected to be back

Those were the hard and fast rules there were others too but they weren't considered as important and didn't receive the same sanctions

Boundaries also make children feel secure. My dd is now 20 and we've discussed her upbringing on occasion and she says while she may have railed against me at the time, that generally she thinks I was fair and she always knew

1 she could always count on me even if she had done something stupid

2 she could talk to me about anything and I would answer questions honestly (in an age appropriate way where necessary)

3 she felt safe and felt I always had her safety as my priority

Her peers including her close friendship group a few had parents who had very very few boundaries, those kids really struggled as teens and now as new adults.

One has a major drug problem now and dd has nothing to do with them, incredibly heartbreaking and worrying.

Another is pregnant - unplanned pregnancy and on/off relationship with the father, so far from ideal which pregnant friend herself acknowledges. In addition their own parents have basically disowned them for this and are seemingly completely oblivious to their own faults.

As separated parents you really need to be on the same page too.

My ex did a vanishing act just before dd hit high school and didn't see her loads before that BUT again around this age dd did go through a phase of trying to play us off against each other...which didn't work as we did communicate at this point AND we had the same outlook parenting wise anyway in terms of what dd was and wasn't allowed to do/get etc so thinking "mum said no I'll ask dad instead" plain didn't work cos

A dad checked with mum

B dad wasn't in favour either!

It's good your ex is willing to equally play "bad cop" and not be a Disney dad and you need to back him up on this - and he you

Stop letting her play you!

She's using emotional blackmail - spending a night at her dads ISN'T abandoning her!

Frankly it sounds like you need to toughen up. You may even benefit from parenting classes

you are setting yourself up for nightmare teenage years and it's not entirely her fault. totally agree

This needs sorted out now not when she's at high school

In all likelihood the acting up is due to either :

Hormones (kids are entering puberty and therefore pre puberty earlier and earlier these days)

A new friend is having an odd influence on her

Imo

She would honestly just laugh at me.

Not if you use the right tone of voice - get some assertiveness guidance, loads of videos on YouTube, possibly courses near you and it would be something covered in parenting classes too

You need to perfect your "inner schoolmarm" and channel that into a head teacher stern voice. A bit lower and slower than you'd normally use and with the right "look" facially too!

My dd often didn't even need me to say anything. She'd get "the look" and be like "ouch! Need to behave better sorry mum"

You don't have to shout. Indeed it's better if you don't as a controlled stern voice shows you mean business!

You need to find some kind of authoritarian mode for when it's needed or her teen years will indeed be a frightening nightmare for both of you.

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