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To think the royal family are being tacticle...

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Olivegreenstrawberries · 16/10/2021 10:02

By talking about the environment to try and get us to forget about the racist allegations. I'd even go as far to say that what the queen said was all staged to make it more of a headline.

To think that the royal family is not racist is so redickulous...they are more than racist, they think their blood line nevermind race is worthy of all their wealth and luxuries over other people.

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BananaPB · 16/10/2021 11:06

They are discussing it now because of the Earthshot Prize and COP26 being round the corner.

I think that arguing for space tourism is morally questionable since it's about lining the pockets of rich men who on one hand can spend their money on what they like but do we want to just find a new planet to line on when this one is wrecked like in Wall-e ?

With regards to racism, it's going to take time and effort to change their hiring practices and over time we'll hopefully see a more diverse staff. If this is about Meghan then they have their hands tied because any efforts are likely to be leaked and nobody wants their mediation or counselling sessions plastered in the media. Perhaps Harry's memoir will describe the incident in detail because there's been a lot of speculation about this incident(s)

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 16/10/2021 11:12

SPAG snobs are a waste of column inches and very boring to read. If correcting people's posts are what thrills you Edexcel are likely crying out for external examiners. You can even get paid for it.

To O: yes, the entire institution reeks of privilege. Their exemption from the FOI act and the undue influence they exert (despite protestations that they have no power, which is untrue) are particularly concerning. As to the racism charge, it's impossible to deny certain family members are of course racist: there's no other word for it. A couple of family members have a clear, documented track record of it, and there are some one-off but extremely dubious instances in the cases of certain others. As to whether that makes the whole family collectively racist, that's an over-generalisation (but probably not an altogether unfair assumption).

Environmentalism: any Windsor who preaches on this issue is a joke. Yes, it's a point of concern; yes, it's a cause that has other far more credible ambassadors. With a carbon footprint the size of the Pacific basin, if this overprivileged lot start preaching to others that they should travel less while they swan about in helicopters and gas guzzlers, people will likely laugh.

It's not that they're necessarily wrong. It's just that coming from them, exhortations to protect the planet are hilarious. Leave it to Packham and Attenborough who are actually educated on these matters.

Are they above using cynical PR tactics to deflect from their murkier undertows? No, absolutely not. It's good to see people increasingly questioning the actual point of this family.

2bazookas · 16/10/2021 11:13

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Suddenlyfamily5 · 16/10/2021 11:13

when they have plundered their own citizens for centuries for their own wealth

GrinGrin Indeed, you’d think the Queen would stop kicking down peasants’ doors and stealing their last crust at her age!

Alwaystheplusone · 16/10/2021 11:14

Taking the piss out of a post because of spelling errors is quite fucking horrible imho.

TravelLost · 16/10/2021 11:14

@Olivegreenstrawberries every single decision, comments, outing is a tactical decision, all down to the pictures, photo op etc…

So yes it’s tactical.
Maybe because of Prince Andrew. More likely because they are positioning themselves as the ‘goody’ making a point on the world stage about environment.
I think they are, in some ways, fighting for their survival (it’s not just Prince Andrew issue, or MM) and being a champion for the environment is a good way. I’d say it so happens that Prince Charles has always been a strong environmentalist. But they would still take that stance if he wasn’t.

Dreamstate · 16/10/2021 11:16

@Suddenlyfamily5

when they have plundered their own citizens for centuries for their own wealth

GrinGrin Indeed, you’d think the Queen would stop kicking down peasants’ doors and stealing their last crust at her age!

Haha well they raid our taxes so times have moved on but yeh its still the same shit
mustlovegin · 16/10/2021 11:18

Do you know what 'tactile' means OP?

Milkbottlelegs · 16/10/2021 11:18

Born privileged but they can't help but believe that they're genetically superior too I think

On what basis? Do you know them? What does genetically superior even mean?

The overriding impression I have of the queen is one of a great sense of duty. I feel she absolutely knows how privileged she is and appreciates that with that comes a life of public service.

mustlovegin · 16/10/2021 11:19

'tacticle' even Grin

Milkbottlelegs · 16/10/2021 11:20

@Alwaystheplusone

Taking the piss out of a post because of spelling errors is quite fucking horrible imho.
Why? If you have a laptop or smart phone it’s pretty easy to check the spelling of words you are unsure of.
Olivegreenstrawberries · 16/10/2021 11:20

@mustlovegin

'tacticle' even Grin
🤣 get off the gin!
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Milkbottlelegs · 16/10/2021 11:22

And it’s not even about that. It’s about people thinking they are morally and intellectually superior and then not being able to spell basic words.

olidora63 · 16/10/2021 11:23

@Alwaystheplusone

Taking the piss out of a post because of spelling errors is quite fucking horrible imho.
This….it’s a distraction from the Pp not having an intelligent opinion !
OutwiththeOutCrowd · 16/10/2021 11:24

The hot topic to distract the public from considering is Prince Andrew's shady manoeuvres, so I think they are in 'Look, squirrel!' diversionary mode but for a different reason.

YearsSinceISawYou · 16/10/2021 11:24

If a spelling mistake is a real howler, then why not correct it. Very patronising to let the OP think she is spelling something correctly.

Mistakes are usually corrected in life. Would you be happy to go on making a balls of something, thinking you were doing well when all the time everyone but you knows you have made a complete cock of it?

mustlovegin · 16/10/2021 11:26

All of a sudden you have William and now the Queen expressing opinions when they are usually so quiet

Soon their advisers will (rightly) remind them to stay out of politics and ideology

Eyesofdisarray · 16/10/2021 11:26

Nasty posts, re SPAG- OP is taking it in good spirit though 👍
I think the RF are acutely aware of public feeling especially re Andrew/Meghan/Harry 😔

SockFluffInTheBath · 16/10/2021 11:29

They are discussing it now because of the Earthshot Prize and COP26 being round the corner.

^

Whatever threat MM likes to tell herself she is to the royal family she’s not a patch on Andrew.

mustlovegin · 16/10/2021 11:30

I think the RF are acutely aware of public feeling especially re Andrew/Meghan/Harry

Whatever they may be 'aware of', they should stay out of it. Otherwise they will end up annoying at least 50% of the UK public.

viques · 16/10/2021 11:31

@ArblemarchTFruitbat

I'm no royalist and think we should have a republic, but I think you're on the wrong track here.

My annoyance would be the hypocrisy of the Queen, with her gigantic carbon footprint and jet-setting family, moaning about people not doing enough for the environment. Get your own house - I mean, 40 or so houses - in order, Liz, before you lecture others.

Agreed.

And that goes for William and Kate too whose huge cars are driven across London x4 a day to take their children to school. No local schools in Kensington?

The queen was recently in secret lobbying “discussions” to absolve crown estates in Scotland from legislation to green up gas provision. Apparently Royal assent to the bill was only given if the clause granting this was agreed to, which is not so much “discussion” as blackmail IMO. She is now the only landowner to whom this legislation does not apply, and we aren’t talking about building a power station in her garden, it was buried gas pipes to provide energy to other people’s homes.

It’s all very well Charles going on about sustainability, but the fact remains that he and Camilla are a household of two, just how many huge houses do they need to have kept maintained, heated and kept secure 24 hours a day, seven days a week?

Do as I say, not as I do.

QueenDanu · 16/10/2021 11:36

@Clocktopus

Iwould like her if she talked about racism more from the perspective of what other black women have to face. SHe is so pale skinned and so beautiful with so much of her own American privilege that her beauty privilege and circle of white successful friends makes it hard to believe that she has suffered from a lot of racism.

I agree. Meghan is only half black for starters, and if you weren't aware of who her mother is yours probably think Meghan was white if you met her.

Implying that she isn't black enough and questioning her blackness based on the tone of her skin is racist itself especially when that's used to try and minimise her experiences as a biracial woman and to cast doubt on the racism she says she has experienced.

Well, I think leaping to label this as racist is missing a lot of context.

Do you think that that Megan has suffered more rejections, more put downs, more exclusions, more sly digs, more sexist remarks, more pay inequalities, more pay cuts, more closed doors, experienced being passed over more often for promotion, been ignored more, left off guest lists more etc than a very ordinary looking white woman?

I really doubt that myself.
Serious question, why does she attribute every 'no' as racist?
I think some people ignore the way the seas literally part for beauty.

I wonder if she'd swap Freaky Friday style with a very ordinary white woman (in terms of education, looks, position, income). Probably not and no reason why she should. But that same time the insistence that her experiences are due to racism dismiss the experiences of very ordinary white woman have experienced all of the above. And just have to hang it all on the never ever dealt with ''sexism''.

Calling somebody out publicly for sexism doesn't seem to have any impact.

DameMaureen · 16/10/2021 11:40

Did you mean to say testicle?

DameMaureen · 16/10/2021 11:41

as in a load of bollocks ?

CherryPieface · 16/10/2021 11:45

Well they are certainly being hypocritical. They travel by private jets and helicopters, they are beyond privileged and the Queen lobbied Scottish government ministers to make her land exempt from environmental protection laws.