To think all men who travel should call 777 and have their GPS tracked and location checked?

[SummersOverSeasideTown]

As it says.
I'd be open to a curfew time, so men can travel during the day maybe, but at night they would have to log their journeys and expected arrival time.

IABU and men should continue to enjoy limitless freedoms and it should be women who have to call and be tracked.

IANBU and this is a reasonable solution to the alternative.

No one should have to be tracked. As a woman I don’t want to have my phone tracked, I’d just not have the app or leave my phone at home.

Totally agree. I was very and then when I heard this new app proposed as a solution to men abducting and raping and murdering women. Honestly just no.
And an abusers delight. Tracking their poor wife/ girlfriend/ child whatever. No deviation off course for you!

[quote Suffolkpunch345]**@HeartsAndClubs* @SleepingStandingUp*

Because we don’t live in a perfect world! Every creature has to be aware of predators ( men included) - its nature. And yes! I think woman have to be sensible and it’s completely naivety to think any differently.

Why bother locking your door ? Just make sure people don’t steal ? Why have a speed limit/ speed cameras ? Why have legal age for alcohol ? In fact- why bother with prison, just teach everyone to be good.

The suggestion that nobody needs to take responsibility for themselves is juvenile and in 100 percent sure you lock your doors every night.[/quote]
Solidarity sister. Get a grip.

What a lot of people don’t understand is that we are not talking about locking doors or putting in alarms we are talking about women’s lives. It is shocking the internalised misogyny of some PP.
I think reclaim the night is happening in a number of places in the UK on 27 November. Some of you should go, learn something and start getting angry and then take action, not just witter on about ‘bad people are everywhere’

What happens when you logged on the app that you're going to be home by 11pm after going for drinks at a bar but when 11pm rolls round you and your friends are a bit tipsy and decide to have a small night cap at another bar forgetting to log your new ETA on the app. Will the riot police storm the bar at midnight demanding to know why you aren't at home in your nightdress?

@ApolloandDaphne

Fuck me. How dystopian is all this?

Read the news, it's not been lauded as dystopian by the BT boss, or Patel or the media when it concerns women.

Sounds useful - I could set it when waiting for the late bus and when it doesn't turn up on time or the train service is cancelled, the police can come and give me a lift home.

After all, what's the point of it if they don't act as your free taxi service? Otherwise they're just getting lists of women out on their own in potentially isolated situations...

@VladmirsPoutine

What happens when you logged on the app that you're going to be home by 11pm after going for drinks at a bar but when 11pm rolls round you and your friends are a bit tipsy and decide to have a small night cap at another bar forgetting to log your new ETA on the app. Will the riot police storm the bar at midnight demanding to know why you aren't at home in your nightdress?

If this does happen I'd feel fairly safe that there wouldn't be any police around to check that I hadn't got home let alone riot storm the bar.

No thought has gone into financing this ridiculous idea, just sound bites to make it sound like something is happening.

@Dhcfisssifjrsnxfjds

What a lot of people don’t understand is that we are not talking about locking doors or putting in alarms we are talking about women’s lives. It is shocking the internalised misogyny of some PP. I think reclaim the night is happening in a number of places in the UK on 27 November. Some of you should go, learn something and start getting angry and then take action, not just witter on about ‘bad people are everywhere’

Quite. The next generation has no chance.

You must be joking? Please tell me you are. why? Do you lock your front door at night?

Do you lock your car when you go out to the supermarket?

Do you move valuables out of sight rather than leaving them in plain sight on the back seat of the car?

The only reason why people take objection to women having to be careful is because of the nature of the crime. Even without sexual crimes in the mix I would expect anyone, man or woman, to be careful wandering around alone at night, to avoid muggings etc.

We’re not talking here about women wearing short skirts etc, that is an entirely different issue from urging caution when wandering around dark places late at night where God knows who might be lurking.

In an ideal world we wouldn’t have to be cautious. But we don’t live in an ideal world, we live in the real world.

Incidentally, rape and murder is illegal. Anyone who thinks that a wannabe murderer or sex attacker would log into some tracking service before going out is naive.

And that’s before we get to the fact that the service would be completely impossible to police. Woman is attacked in a bar where there are 500 people. Pray tell how you are going to find the one responsible.

The only time it would be workable would be in the case of a woman being attacked in a lonely park where there was no-one else but the attacker around. Except the attacker wouldn’t have logged their journey so wouldn’t be traced.

I don’t agree with women logging their journeys either as it goes. If I’m going out on my own then there are people who know where I am.

But anyone who thinks that this idea is workable is severely lacking in intelligent thought.

I voted YABU because you are, not because I am voting for your YABU option of women being tracked. Your suggestion is ridiculous either way.

Yes it would be good. We could have an app where we get a bleep when we’re in the vicinity of a man with previous for indecent exposure or domestic abuse or sexual transgressions.
Oh wait …it would be bleeping all the fucking time.

But anyone who thinks that this idea is workable is severely lacking in intelligent thought

Anyone who reads the post and thinks that the posters that support the idea think that it is workable, is severely lacking in intelligent thought.

Sorry, I read your title and first paragraph and voted YABU - which I stand by.

Neither of your choices are reasonable though.
Both your options are ridiculous.

I see I am not alone in making this mistake with the voting - so don't read anything into the poll.

The most unreal part of this whole ridiculous idea is that Priti Patel’s solution to a woman being raped and murdered by a police officer, is for women to tell a Police officer their location 🤔

What a lot of people don’t understand is that we are not talking about locking doors or putting in alarms we are talking about women’s lives. It is shocking the internalised misogyny of some PP. bollocks. The crime is different, but the response is the same.

We lock the doors or install car alarms to mitigate against the risk of crime. We need to get to a point where that crime doesn’t happen, but it does, and in the meantime we take precautions to prevent ourselves from falling victim.

Something needs to be done about the level of crimes against women. But in the meantime we can take precautions to limit the possibility of becoming victims.

But start throwing around the term misogyny and you lose the argument. Instead of throwing insults and name calling at people who suggest that we do need to take precautions in the world we currently live in, there needs to be discussion on how we can reduce the numbers of crimes against women. And a lot of the answer to that lies far deeper than tracking all men or expecting all men to be sexual criminals.

We need to look at the porn industry as a starting point. Not just from men’s point of view, but e.g. my DP works with women who watch porn with their partners, women who say that many women in the industry are there of their own free will. Porn needs to be outlawed altogether, not just violent porn, but all of it.

And then we need to go back to basics in terms of how to behave as individuals. While men view women as sexual objects we will never get to a point where some men don’t want to take that further.

And while some women defend such industries, the rest of us are at risk.

@NeverDropYourMooncup

Sounds useful - I could set it when waiting for the late bus and when it doesn't turn up on time or the train service is cancelled, the police can come and give me a lift home.

After all, what's the point of it if they don't act as your free taxi service? Otherwise they're just getting lists of women out on their own in potentially isolated situations...

Yes, the list is concerning. Also, this system wouldn't make anyone safer. If I used it and didn't get home safely, that just means that someone would be likely to maybe eventually (in my area at least) wander round and have a look to see if I was alive. So the likelihood of an attack is the same, but I could console myself that my body might be found in a relatively timely manner. Or maybe medical help might eventually also arrive and I wouldn't die, but I would still have been attacked, and my attacker would almost certainly have got away.

Not a comforting thought, strangely.

@HeartsAndClubs

You must be joking? Please tell me you are. why? Do you lock your front door at night?

Do you lock your car when you go out to the supermarket?

Do you move valuables out of sight rather than leaving them in plain sight on the back seat of the car?

The only reason why people take objection to women having to be careful is because of the nature of the crime. Even without sexual crimes in the mix I would expect anyone, man or woman, to be careful wandering around alone at night, to avoid muggings etc.

We’re not talking here about women wearing short skirts etc, that is an entirely different issue from urging caution when wandering around dark places late at night where God knows who might be lurking.

In an ideal world we wouldn’t have to be cautious. But we don’t live in an ideal world, we live in the real world.

Incidentally, rape and murder is illegal. Anyone who thinks that a wannabe murderer or sex attacker would log into some tracking service before going out is naive.

And that’s before we get to the fact that the service would be completely impossible to police. Woman is attacked in a bar where there are 500 people. Pray tell how you are going to find the one responsible.

The only time it would be workable would be in the case of a woman being attacked in a lonely park where there was no-one else but the attacker around. Except the attacker wouldn’t have logged their journey so wouldn’t be traced.

I don’t agree with women logging their journeys either as it goes. If I’m going out on my own then there are people who know where I am.

But anyone who thinks that this idea is workable is severely lacking in intelligent thought.

You are missing the entire point in this thread. 888 is obviously a completely ridiculous idea but the point is that it should not be for women to self police. The ‘real’ world will only become the ‘ideal’ world of people like you do not spout this nonsense that women need to be careful, and that being curtailed exercising your basic human rights is equivalent to locking a front door. You should really examine why you hold this view.

@HeartsAndClubs

What a lot of people don’t understand is that we are not talking about locking doors or putting in alarms we are talking about women’s lives. It is shocking the internalised misogyny of some PP. bollocks. The crime is different, but the response is the same.

We lock the doors or install car alarms to mitigate against the risk of crime. We need to get to a point where that crime doesn’t happen, but it does, and in the meantime we take precautions to prevent ourselves from falling victim.

Something needs to be done about the level of crimes against women. But in the meantime we can take precautions to limit the possibility of becoming victims.

But start throwing around the term misogyny and you lose the argument. Instead of throwing insults and name calling at people who suggest that we do need to take precautions in the world we currently live in, there needs to be discussion on how we can reduce the numbers of crimes against women. And a lot of the answer to that lies far deeper than tracking all men or expecting all men to be sexual criminals.

We need to look at the porn industry as a starting point. Not just from men’s point of view, but e.g. my DP works with women who watch porn with their partners, women who say that many women in the industry are there of their own free will. Porn needs to be outlawed altogether, not just violent porn, but all of it.

And then we need to go back to basics in terms of how to behave as individuals. While men view women as sexual objects we will never get to a point where some men don’t want to take that further.

And while some women defend such industries, the rest of us are at risk.

Just to be clear - you do understand that OP is not advocating the tracking of men? Oh dear.

And this would-be app doesn't even prevent potential murder. You could have logged your arrival time for midnight, fail to get home at midnight, riot police come out in full force but your body gets found in a ditch the following morning because you were kidnapped en route home. What the app fails to do is..... stop men from harming women!!! But what it does do rather nicely is gather data of all the women in potentially isolated situations all over the land in other words an abusers dream.

@HeartsAndClubs

Why don't we teach men that they have no rights to woman's body and that its not acceptable to harm us for their own gratification? It’s precisely this kind of talk which makes things worse for many victims.

No,women shouldn’t have to take precautions.They shouldn’t have to be careful where they walk late at night, or let someone know where they are, the emphasis should be on men not to attack. Except the real world doesn’t work like that.

There will always be perpetrators of crimes against women, and in fact all manner of crimes which we take steps to mitigate. If a woman walks down a dark alley and is attacked, then the fault lies 100% with the perpetrator. But the woman can choose not to walk down an alleyway late at night because there are such perpetrators out there and you never know where and how they might appear.

If it was just a case of “x criminal shouldn’t be committing y crime,” then there would be no need for locks on the front door, for video doorbells, for cars which lock, for shops to have alarms and CCTV. If they just didn’t do those things then there wouldn’t be those crimes because they don’t exist anyway, right? Except those crimes do exist, and we as individuals can where possible mitigate against becoming victims of said crimes.

You completely miss the point. Women should not have to change because of the behaviour of men.

You are absolutely insane, OP. What the fuck.

Annnd now i've read the full thread. Apologies, i'll see myself out.

@CristosBreakfastPie

The most unreal part of this whole ridiculous idea is that Priti Patel’s solution to a woman being raped and murdered by a police officer, is for women to tell a Police officer their location 🤔

Quite.

Looking into the the police response when indecent exposure is reported might be helpful, or investigating officers whose colleagues call them The Rapist, might be helpful, or looking into those that are happy to use such a nickname might just make a difference.

It's quite common in our family &friends for people to text each other when they arrive safe home

Might be nice if it wasn't necessary, but wishful thinking never saved the world