To think all men who travel should call 777 and have their GPS tracked and location checked?

[SummersOverSeasideTown]

As it says.
I'd be open to a curfew time, so men can travel during the day maybe, but at night they would have to log their journeys and expected arrival time.

IABU and men should continue to enjoy limitless freedoms and it should be women who have to call and be tracked.

IANBU and this is a reasonable solution to the alternative.

Responded to wrong post

We do regular security trainings at my company. Stuff like how to protect the company data, secure your laptop, don't reply to phishing emails, use your tag to open doors and don't let anyone pass behind you... no one ever asks why we're have to take these trainings and precautions instead of the criminals getting trained how not to do crime. I wonder why 🤔

@GoWalkabout

There's a proposal for women to check in on an 888 phone number when walking home and if they don't arrive police will attend.

I suspect this "proposal" will only ever be that, knowing first hand how stretched the police claim to be it's not feasible

@Yummypumpkin

The post is a response to the chief exec if BT proudly crowing today how for £50million his firm would track all womens phones so they could get him safely.

I imagine the OP read this and like myself was outraged that this is seen as a solution!

Thank you for explaining. You are right I am outraged. The answer to male violence is not to track or shrink women's worlds.

I guess the idea behind this is based on the fact a potential victim is more likely to use this than a potential perpetrator.

The vast majority of men are not a threat to women. They are just as much at risk of attack. Most men wouldn’t dream of attacking a woman.

What I really hate is the victimhood being attributed here. I am perfectly capable of risk assessing. Everyone adapts their behaviour to cover off potential risks, but I fear there is more of a risk of us buying into that fear and thereby curtailing our own activities more than necessary. The simple fact is you can’t reasonably cover all risks, life isn’t like that, it’s ok with the benefit of hindsight to say what should,could, would’ve happened.

Not keen on using 777 either as it is a very significant number for lots of people!

Maybe the answer is to insert a tracking chip in to everyone.

Then we all be tracked.

@Suffolkpunch345

Obviously these things shouldn’t happen, but they do and they always have. And everyone knows that walking at night, through parks and unlit areas is dangerous.

So why not teach woman to be sensible? Improve lighting and public transport. There will always be dangers and your suggestion is frankly ridiculous. Also who is going to pay for this ? We are barely getting by as it is!

Are you for real? Yes being sensible will stop women being raped and killed... how dare you .

I have a better idea. Just put tracking chips into all men. It takes the responsibility element out of it. They don’t have to decide whether to opt in. It’s decided for them. Then they can just go about their lives and forget all about it. Don’t worry about where or how their information is being stored or who it might be sold to. The decent ones with nothing to hide won’t have any reason to object, right?

Isn't this in a way already being done? For example if a woman is attacked at say 11:30 at a place then the police already will look at the cell phones in the area at that time and leaving soon after as track them.

WRT to making it GPS tracked - this would be a god send for people suspecting their DH of having an affair, just pay someone to hack the DB and get the proof you need.

Although for completeness I would want all phones GPS tracked at all times male and female so I could get the silly moo who was with my DH and send her a message saying did you get checked for STDs?

Don’t be so ridiculous. Nobody should be tracked.

PEOPLE ARE MISSING THE POINT!!! Why does everything need to be literal, FGS

YABU.

I for one would like the option of making myself safer because I'm under no illusions at all that it is possible to stop men from committing murder, rape and sexual assault.

Yes, more should be done to attempt to prevent them but without putting every man under permanent curfew it will never happen.
So I'll take the next best option please and thats doing all I can or all I want to do to protect myself.
We can all make our own choices in that respect, men included .... who by the way are not excluded from the 888 proposal.

Thank you for explaining. You are right I am outraged. The answer to male violence is not to track or shrink women's worlds.

It's your thread to be fair, you should have been the one to explain in your opening post.

@WorraLiberty

The onus isn't on women. This is just a completely unworkable solution being 'gifted', so the government can look as though they're doing something.

They don't have a tiny fraction of the amount of officers available to deal with this.

It's a pile of horse shit and I hope it doesn't lead some women into a false sense of security.

And the 777 idea is equally ridiculous for the same reason.

Agree, but the 888 idea is being celebrated as some kind of answer.

@Annasgirl

at all the people on here who don’t know what you are referring to OP, but still think they should comment.

And I voted YANBU. But the boss of BT is.

I'm also why someone gave you a biscuit!

We do regular security trainings at my company. Stuff like how to protect the company data, secure your laptop, don't reply to phishing emails, use your tag to open doors and don't let anyone pass behind you... no one ever asks why we're have to take these trainings and precautions instead of the criminals getting trained how not to do crime*

Can you not tell the difference between a living, breathing woman and an inanimate object such as a laptop or building?

It is comforting to my body will be found sooner with the 888 tracking.

Maybe the 777 app could have helpful popup notifications ar regular intervals like 'walk in well lit areas to prevent attacking a woman' or 'you are less likely to attack if you take public transport'. Cos most men are fine but this way they can just get prompts. Just in case.

It's only a proposal, and there's no mention of it being compulsory for women to use it.
Before it gets shouted down by those advocating tracking of all men (not going to happen), women should be allowed to make up their own minds and use it if it makes them feel safer.

@Dhcfisssifjrsnxfjds

God I despair at the low levels of intelligence on MN - 99% of PP have either no clue what OP is talking about, or have completely missed the point. Clearly the OP is trying to provoke a debate on why women are the ones who need to be protecting and logging themselves rather than the government and society at large effecting structural change in how men behave. How can the great and the good of MN be completely incapable on engaging with this has a debate. It makes me wonder what hope there is for women when we cannot even advocate for ourselves amongst one another? OP - totally agree why should men not be the ones monitored and controlled, because pretty soon they will be saying ‘well she wouldn’t have been raped if she called 888’. It is a disgrace.

I despair as well

Sarah Everard was killed some time after she should have got home.

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@WorraLiberty

Thank you for explaining. You are right I am outraged. The answer to male violence is not to track or shrink women's worlds.

It's your thread to be fair, you should have been the one to explain in your opening post.

But that would have been a different sort of thread.

It's only a proposal, and there's no mention of it being compulsory for women to use it. Before it gets shouted down by those advocating tracking of all men (not going to happen), women should be allowed to make up their own minds and use it if it makes them feel safer.

Not compulsory but it would then become the case if having 'worthy' victims of attack who did everything right, who downloaded the app, who still got attacked, "oh my goodness isn't it awful?". Then you have the women who 'bring it on themselves', who didn't download the app, who went out alone, "well what else did she expect would happen?"

@lovescaca

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What does this add?

The dodgy ones won't call and log their location anyway so it would be worthless. How about letting women arm themselves better by licencing or legalising CS Spray/Pepper spray etc.