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Original poster

To think all men who travel should call 777 and have their GPS tracked and location checked?

352 replies

SummersOverSeasideTown · 09/10/2021 12:51

As it says.
I'd be open to a curfew time, so men can travel during the day maybe, but at night they would have to log their journeys and expected arrival time.

IABU and men should continue to enjoy limitless freedoms and it should be women who have to call and be tracked.

IANBU and this is a reasonable solution to the alternative.

OP posts:
Babdoc · 09/10/2021 13:27

How does it help women, other than to reduce the search area for their dead bodies afterwards? Don’t perpetrators dump victims’ phones anyway?
It takes three minutes to strangle someone, and mere seconds to cut their throat. How fast a police response are you expecting?
How many extra police officers would we need to check on every woman who was late home? I can’t see how this would ever be practicable.

Tana433 · 09/10/2021 13:33

What an absolutely ridiculous thread. Sometimes i just despair, i really do.

PearlclutchersInc · 09/10/2021 13:34

My gut reaction was what a bloody stupid idea. Since the problem isnt go to go away overnight it's perhaps part of a solution. Along with educating men to keep their mouths shut, their hands to themselves and have some resect.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 09/10/2021 13:35

just track everyone, men and women. or nobody.

daisypond · 09/10/2021 13:38

@Tana433

What an absolutely ridiculous thread. Sometimes i just despair, i really do.
I despair too at posts like yours. You’ve missed the point.
TheQueef · 09/10/2021 13:38

Where do I sign?

Really though what the fuck? How to spectacularly miss the point by BT or anyone supporting the notion that women need to act.

PlanDeRaccordement · 09/10/2021 13:39

Stupid idea.
Phone tracking won’t stop rape/murder because they’re already doing that and it’s literally how they catch them after the crime.

PicsInRed · 09/10/2021 13:41

Just like the Peter Sutcliffe murders, when the powers that be suggested a curfew on women rather than a curfew on MEN.

Tana433 · 09/10/2021 13:43

@daisypond Please explain to me how i have missed the point of this thread? So my DH meets his mates once a week for a pub quiz and my 26 year old son is out and about most evenings. Why in the hell should they have a curfew or need to be 'tracked'. All men are now being lumped together as potential predaters and most of them simply are not. This is not a world where i would want to live.

TheQueef · 09/10/2021 13:44

Tana have you read the news story about women calling 888?

MyPatronusIsACat · 09/10/2021 13:46

Eh? Confused

WorraLiberty · 09/10/2021 13:48

Hahaha! 🤣🤣🤣

Oh and nice manipulation of the voting there OP

It's the 3rd most ridiculous I've seen today and it's not even 2pm.

Tana433 · 09/10/2021 13:51

@TheQueef Yes, ive just read it now. I agree the onus shouldnt be put on women but likewise we are not at risk from 'all men' every time we are out alone as some would have you believe. The fact that police would be alerted if the women hadnt reached her destination by a set time is not going to stop them being raped or murdered is it? By the time anyone is alerted it is too late. Not sure what the solution is but definitely dont think this is it.

VladmirsPoutine · 09/10/2021 13:53

I don't think some posters understand what this thread is in reference to or maybe they do...

Suffolkpunch345 · 09/10/2021 13:53

Obviously these things shouldn’t happen, but they do and they always have. And everyone knows that walking at night, through parks and unlit areas is dangerous.

So why not teach woman to be sensible? Improve lighting and public transport. There will always be dangers and your suggestion is frankly ridiculous. Also who is going to pay for this ? We are barely getting by as it is!

WorraLiberty · 09/10/2021 13:56

The onus isn't on women. This is just a completely unworkable solution being 'gifted', so the government can look as though they're doing something.

They don't have a tiny fraction of the amount of officers available to deal with this.

It's a pile of horse shit and I hope it doesn't lead some women into a false sense of security.

And the 777 idea is equally ridiculous for the same reason.

WorraLiberty · 09/10/2021 13:57

@Suffolkpunch345

Obviously these things shouldn’t happen, but they do and they always have. And everyone knows that walking at night, through parks and unlit areas is dangerous.

So why not teach woman to be sensible? Improve lighting and public transport. There will always be dangers and your suggestion is frankly ridiculous. Also who is going to pay for this ? We are barely getting by as it is!

So why not teach woman to be sensible?

Huh?

In what way is going about your normal everyday business not 'sensible'?

Clocktopus · 09/10/2021 14:03

What's been offered is an option for those who think it might make them feel safer

What's being offered is another opportunity for society to blame women. It won't be just for those who would feel safer using it, it'll be expected that all women should use it and when they don't you'll have Johnny Lawyer, defense attorney, pointing out to the court that "she did not use the 888 service therefore she did not feel threatened by my client and this was consensual sex" (or words to that effect).

It also totally ignores the fact that most attacks are committed by someone the woman already knows and that most are unlikely to use 888 if they have their friend Mark walking them home or their boyfriend Carl or their mate's dad Kev is giving them a lift.

Instead of putting the responsibility on women to avoid being attacked try putting the responsibility onto the attackers with actual arrests, charges, and sentencing.

Clocktopus · 09/10/2021 14:05

So why not teach woman to be sensible?

Why don't we teach men that they have no rights to woman's body and that its not acceptable to harm us for their own gratification?

butterflyze · 09/10/2021 14:07

@Totallydefeated

Well if anybody is going to be tracked and have what limited freedom/privacy they have taken from them, it makes sense that it should be the group of people who perpetrate most of the crimes, not the group who form most of the victims.....
^ This.

Succinct and to the point.

Original poster
SummersOverSeasideTown · 09/10/2021 14:08

@catsandhens

And I get what you are responding to and how annoying that is too. Lets just provide a live database of where all women are at all time. Because no attacker ever has ever been able to hack databases and the dark web cant possibly exist... And of course women want to be tracked at all times
Not forgetting it is the police that are arriving that we may need to fear
OP posts:
Dhcfisssifjrsnxfjds · 09/10/2021 14:11

God I despair at the low levels of intelligence on MN - 99% of PP have either no clue what OP is talking about, or have completely missed the point. Clearly the OP is trying to provoke a debate on why women are the ones who need to be protecting and logging themselves rather than the government and society at large effecting structural change in how men behave. How can the great and the good of MN be completely incapable on engaging with this has a debate. It makes me wonder what hope there is for women when we cannot even advocate for ourselves amongst one another?
OP - totally agree why should men not be the ones monitored and controlled, because pretty soon they will be saying ‘well she wouldn’t have been raped if she called 888’. It is a disgrace.

Moonmelodies · 09/10/2021 14:11

As it is men who are considerably more likely to be assaulted and murdered, how come they are able to walk the streets unafraid, without special apps and pepper sprays etc?
It's as though they are resigned to the danger or just ignore their increased risk.

Dhcfisssifjrsnxfjds · 09/10/2021 14:14

[quote Tana433]@TheQueef Yes, ive just read it now. I agree the onus shouldnt be put on women but likewise we are not at risk from 'all men' every time we are out alone as some would have you believe. The fact that police would be alerted if the women hadnt reached her destination by a set time is not going to stop them being raped or murdered is it? By the time anyone is alerted it is too late. Not sure what the solution is but definitely dont think this is it.[/quote]
Oh dear….