Would you join a terrorist organisation to avoid splitting up your family?

[HeartsAndClubs]

Rhetorical question obviously.

Islamic State mother Nicole Jack says 'don't sweep us under carpet' www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58814804

This woman is bleating on about how she and her children should be allowed to return to the UK, and says openly that the only reason she joined ISIS was because her husband did and she didn’t want to split up her family.

This wasn’t a teenager who some might argue could have been groomed, this was a mother of 4, a grown woman, who made a conscious choice to put the ISIS ideology before the welfare of her children, and now she feels she deserves sympathy.

Surely if splitting up her family had been the only reason, she would have moved on after his death, rather than marrying another terrorist?

And surely saying that she hasn’t seen a beheading doesn’t mean she doesn’t know that they happen?

I just can’t imagine on what planet someone who is of moral thinking would actually be so desperate to keep their family together that they would join isis to do it.

Obviously she clearly didn’t do it for that reason. Obviously she believes in what ISIS stands for, but thinks she can pull that sympathy card now.

If anything I think the children could be brought back and placed in care here to get them away from her.

@Feelslikealot

She's a British citizen and so are her children. Bring her back to face justice for whatever crime she's committed (what crime has she committed just out of interest?) And keep an eye on them but don't leave her children languishing in a refugee camp. Surely they're more at risk of being radicalised in the camp than they are here? All they're doing is creating more isis brides.

Can't help but think if they were white they wouldn't have been left there.

This 100%

People do all sorts of immoral stuff to keep their “tribe” together. Look at all the families who turn a blind eye to child abuse. It is normal human behaviour and almost the default but it is completely immoral. To answer the question in the OP I don’t think supporting someone to do the wrong thing is ever right so she needs to start to process her own choices but I absolutely believe her children should not be punished for their mother’s actions or their fathers.

@OhWhyNot

How many threads have we had on Jack Letts? how many headline news stories with mock disbelief that he wants to come home

Of course the reporting and responses are different because she isn’t white to many she isn’t really British

Being male he isn’t as vulnerable in a society that sees all women as second class citizens if that

Yes, because Nicole and Shamina are not white they have had lots of sympathetic media coverage showing them demanding to be let back to the UK and crying racism if they are not.

But there was no such media coverage for Nora Camali, white British girl who ran off as a teenager to ISIS, married a fighter and had a daughter. Sentenced by an Iraqi court to life in prison. Her daughter was repatriated back to the UK and is being raised by relatives.

So you’re right, if Nicole or Shamina were white, the response would have been different- there’d be no sympathetic media coverage, there’d be no allegations of racism. They’d have been tried, sentenced and in prison for their crimes and Nicole’s children back in U.K. living happily with their grandmother.

If she did manage to use the children as a bargaining chip and get back - they’d be taken away from this excuse of a parent faster than you could say ‘oops I joined a terrorist Tripp’.

Seriously - she actually thinks that she is a rational thinking adult who can safely manage the lives of 3 children?