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Would you join a terrorist organisation to avoid splitting up your family?

154 replies

HeartsAndClubs · 07/10/2021 11:22

Rhetorical question obviously.

Islamic State mother Nicole Jack says 'don't sweep us under carpet' www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58814804

This woman is bleating on about how she and her children should be allowed to return to the UK, and says openly that the only reason she joined ISIS was because her husband did and she didn’t want to split up her family.

This wasn’t a teenager who some might argue could have been groomed, this was a mother of 4, a grown woman, who made a conscious choice to put the ISIS ideology before the welfare of her children, and now she feels she deserves sympathy.

Surely if splitting up her family had been the only reason, she would have moved on after his death, rather than marrying another terrorist?

And surely saying that she hasn’t seen a beheading doesn’t mean she doesn’t know that they happen?

I just can’t imagine on what planet someone who is of moral thinking would actually be so desperate to keep their family together that they would join isis to do it.

Obviously she clearly didn’t do it for that reason. Obviously she believes in what ISIS stands for, but thinks she can pull that sympathy card now.

If anything I think the children could be brought back and placed in care here to get them away from her.

OP posts:

Mayra1367 · 07/10/2021 17:46

She made her choice leave her where she is . Let’s not forget she / her husband whoever aligned themselves with an organisation who kill innocent people. I have absolutely no sympathy for her or her family.

Fatya · 07/10/2021 17:49

I have absolutely no sympathy for her or her family.
Then, to be honest, you're not much better than she is.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 07/10/2021 17:55

She made her bed, my sympathy is with her poor children. Imagine having parents like that. Dad's a terrorist and Mum's as thick as mince. I hope they get the chance to come back here and have a decent life. As for her, bring her back by all means but preferably to be charged, found guilty and imprisoned for as long as possible.

Fatya · 07/10/2021 17:59

Just to recap, the children are aged 12, 9 and 7. They'd have been about 9, 6 and 4 when their (diabolical) parents decided to take them out of the UK, away from their friends, school and everything they knew, and into a warzone, where they are now stuck in an unsafe refugee camp.

And some people have no 'absolutely no sympathy' for those kids?

Racist psychopaths.

MajorCarolDanvers · 07/10/2021 18:03

A grown woman is just as likely to be a victim of grooming as a teenager.

Eleganz · 07/10/2021 18:05

They are our problem and our justice system should be dealing with then rather than just foisting them on another country. I'm sure those that are saying that they agree with the government's position on this would equally be bleating if we had a load of foreign terror suspects sat in camps outside our towns and villages because their home countries refused to deal with them.

beastlyslumber · 07/10/2021 18:07

I do see your point OP but you only have to look at some of the posts on here to see women who stick by their husbands even when they are being abused, their kids are being abused, and a hundred MNers are telling them to LTB and offering advice.

I don't know if it applies in this case, but it's really not that hard to believe that a woman would join a terrorist organisation because her husband wanted her to.

Even if it is the case, I think she has to bear responsibility for what she decided to do. Same as a woman who stays with a man who's abusing her children has to take responsibility for that. You can have empathy where it's warranted but it shouldn't override the demand for justice.

Pythonista · 07/10/2021 18:44

And even if they bring the children back, they are going to be separate from their mother and put into the system - how well will that work out for them?

There is no happy ending in this situation.

As for her being groomed, are women unable to make shitty decisions without a man's influence?

Pythonista · 07/10/2021 18:46

@Fatya

And some people have no 'absolutely no sympathy' for those kids?

Racist psychopaths.

Rather than insulting anyone who thinks different tl you, how about explaining what should be done? Because they either continue to live with their batshit mother and be further indoctrinated or they are separated from her and go into care

HalfShrunkMoreToGo · 07/10/2021 20:07

@Pythonista

And even if they bring the children back, they are going to be separate from their mother and put into the system - how well will that work out for them?

There is no happy ending in this situation.

As for her being groomed, are women unable to make shitty decisions without a man's influence?

Being put into care in the U.K. has to be better than being forced into an arranged marriage as a child to a terrorist in a war torn country.

HalfShrunkMoreToGo · 07/10/2021 20:10

@Mayra1367

The children, who were born in the U.K did not make any of these choices. Of course we should rescue children who are citizens of our country from a refugee camp in a war zone if we can.

Farwest · 07/10/2021 20:16

I think that 'racist psychopath' is about the nicest thing that @Fatya could have said about posters who would leave British children to "rot" in a Syrian refugee camp, or write them off as already hopelessly indoctrinated and therefore deserving of being abandoned by their government, or believe that being stateless for life is better than being placed with family in the UK or in care.

Sociopath, perhaps, rather than psychopath.

Pythonista · 07/10/2021 20:24

Being put into care in the U.K. has to be better than being forced into an arranged marriage as a child to a terrorist in a war torn country

Except of course the chances of a positive outcome from the care system is fairly rare

As for racist - I haven't seen a photo of the family so my opinion is based purely on the fact she pissed off and joined ISIS...

Biancadelrioisback · 07/10/2021 20:30

British citizens are British citizens. They are our responsibility.
In UK prisons we house some absolute monsters. Are her crimes worse than some of the prisoners we currently, previously and will in the future come to look after?
That last thing her kids need are to be forceably removed from their mother when she has been the only constant in their lives for so long.

Pythonista · 07/10/2021 20:33

@Biancadelrioisback

British citizens are British citizens. They are our responsibility. In UK prisons we house some absolute monsters. Are her crimes worse than some of the prisoners we currently, previously and will in the future come to look after? That last thing her kids need are to be forceably removed from their mother when she has been the only constant in their lives for so long.

So are you saying she should be allowed to come back and carry on as if nothing has happened? Wow

Porcupineintherough · 07/10/2021 20:38

The children have a grandmother here who is willing to have them but their mother doesnt want to be separated from them. Certainly if they come back there is very little chance she will ever be allowed to.

LarryUnderwood · 07/10/2021 20:38

She's British, she and her children are our responsibility. She should be brought back and go through the justice system. If that means prison, rehab, social services etc - then that is for our nation to deal with.

PlanDeRaccordement · 07/10/2021 20:39

She should not be allowed back. She chose to go to IS as an adult and remarried another terrorist after her first terrorist husband was killed.

British authorities have offered repeatedly that they can repatriate the children back tomorrow but she is refusing permission. She is a terrible mother, if she actually cared about her 3 girls, she would have let them go back to the UK to live with their grandmother who has already said she can care for them. But no, she is holding her own children hostage saying they can only go back to UK if she is allowed to go with them.

MushMonster · 07/10/2021 20:40

Of course not! Which kind of example is this for the children? How is there any possibility that joining a terrorist group will not destroy your family?
It makes no sense, whatsoever.

Pythonista · 07/10/2021 20:41

@Porcupineintherough

Course she doesn't - she is banking on them being her 'get out jail free' card

PlanDeRaccordement · 07/10/2021 20:41

That last thing her kids need are to be forceably removed from their mother when she has been the only constant in their lives for so long.

She’s a terrorist that took her children into a known war zone to live under a barbaric and misogynistic culture. She is currently holding her children hostage, to try and get back to UK. She is an unfit mother in my opinion and the children would be far better off without her.

pianolessons1 · 07/10/2021 20:42

I'd offer to bring her back on the agreement that the kids are removed from her care. She has amply shown that she can't care for them

Pythonista · 07/10/2021 20:42

@LarryUnderwood

Yeah because the system has plenty of resources for someone who is keeping her own kids hostage so that she can wander back without any consequences

MrsSkylerWhite · 07/10/2021 20:42

Would I bollocks! Would report husband to the security services, too.
No sympathy.

Pythonista · 07/10/2021 20:43

Just like Shamima Begum, she is responsible for her actions

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