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Extinction Rebellion co-founder says he would block an ambulance carrying a dying patient

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sst1234 · 05/10/2021 07:10

How can anyone support this bunch of nasty idiots who are willing to commit what can only be described as murder. How can anyone justify this? Imagine how you would feel it was one of you family members in that ambulance, this man would not hesitate to cause their death.

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londonrach · 05/10/2021 07:12

Saw that and was shocked. Change with manslaughter if they do Yanbu.

Lostmarbles2021 · 05/10/2021 07:15

We need a link to get the context of this please.

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Confrontayshunme · 05/10/2021 07:17

I think the justification is that the imminent threat to life of millions of the poor and children justify the present inconvenience (and I agree in theory), but trotting out the usual "This isn't the right way to go about it." is actually warranted here.

Upsielazy · 05/10/2021 07:19

@Lostmarbles2021

We need a link to get the context of this please.
What context do you require. In a recorded interview so his words weren't twisted, he was asked if he would be happy to block an ambulance carrying a critically ill patient in, he said yes.
toomuchlaundry · 05/10/2021 07:22

What context would ever make this an okay thing to say?

FuckingFlumps · 05/10/2021 07:23

I'd like to say I'm shocked but this attitude sadly doesn't surprise me. It just goes to show its not about the cause at all.

The arguments over it being manslaughter is interesting. Given he freely admitted it and it would be seen as premeditated then I'd certainly hope if he was stupid enough to follow through to "make a point" that he would be charged.

LemonViolet · 05/10/2021 07:25

So much for all their “oh we didn’t mean to block anybody in that situation, if they’d asked us we’d have escorted them through the protest” bollocks they kept spouting every time they’re challenged with tragic stories of people being stopped from getting to hospital, seeing dying loved ones etc. Selfish wankers. It’s all about them feeling superior in their own little worldview. Zero consideration of the rest of society, or worse, less than zero, as they actively don’t care about others.

YanTanTetheraPetheraPimp · 05/10/2021 07:26

He demonstrates the lengths these idiots are prepared to go to. I have zero sympathy for them or their cause because of the behaviour.

PurpleParrotfish · 05/10/2021 07:27

But when Extinction Rebellion block roads they do let ambulances through. It’s a huge diverse group of people and I think pretty much all of them would be shocked by RH’s statement as well. Whatever you think of their tactics of causing inconvenience to draw attention to the fact we are fucking up our planet’s life support system, they are not signed up to kill people.
I know RH is one of the founders but he should have been booted out of XR when he went to Germany and trivialised the Holocaust.
By the way, Insulate Britain, the M25 lot, are a different group.

MephistophelesApprentice · 05/10/2021 07:27

They're a minority willing to use extreme, potentially lethal methods to force political change on a majority. They're terrorists who lack the conviction for full violence, so settle for a pathetic alternative that can cause just as much harm but let's them feel better about themselves.

What's worse is they're giving the bloody Tories the perfect excuse (and public support) to clamp down and reduce the right to legitimate protest. A blind, arrogant blunder that will have even worse consequences over time.

NautaOcts · 05/10/2021 07:29

Isn’t it Insulate Britain rather than Extinction Rebellion who are doing the most recent road blocks?

NautaOcts · 05/10/2021 07:30

Or is there lots of crossover 🤔
I found it very distressing watching that poor lady begging them to let her through so she could go to Canterbury where her mum was being taken to hospital.

Lostmarbles2021 · 05/10/2021 07:31

Upsielazy

I’d like to know the exact words.

Is it that he would chose to do this deliberately and knowingly or is it that this might be a terrible and awful consequence but it wouldn’t stop the action? They are quite different things. One might not agree with either, but they are still different. If the OP genuinely wants to hear opinions and isn’t dog whistling then I need more information. I want to know the source. Some newspapers id trust more to accurately report than others for example.

donquixotedelamancha · 05/10/2021 07:31

We need a link to get the context of this please.

After saying other protesters shouldn't have moved for a woman in distress he was asked the question in the OP directly. His answer was yes (he would not move for someone dying).

www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/16323821/block-ambulance-dying-patient-extinction-rebellion-founder/amp/

KittenKong · 05/10/2021 07:36

Hope no one decides to protest outside his house and refuses to let him or anyone else in or out.

PrincessPaws · 05/10/2021 07:39

I saw a video of some of the knobhead insulate Britain protesters being dragged off the road by motorists because they were blocking an ambulance. Good

bumblingbovine49 · 05/10/2021 07:42

This lack of compassion for individuals immediately in front of them is very similar across terrorists of all political persuasions and world views

The fact that the long term aims of this particular group are the ' greater good' for the majority makes them more rather than less likely to be willing to sacrifice others in the short term to further those aims. There is nothing more dangerous than a zealot in pursuit of a 'noble aim'

The difficulty is however that the sort of change that most terrorists are looking for usually only comes thought violent action . You just need to look at history for confirmation of that, so this guy's comment does not surprise me in the least

Unlike a a PP though that I agree with their aim. it is completely possible to agree with a cause or desired outcome but profoundly disagree with the way it is being pursued. That is the core of what politics is.

Upsielazy · 05/10/2021 07:42

@Lostmarbles2021

Upsielazy

I’d like to know the exact words.

Is it that he would chose to do this deliberately and knowingly or is it that this might be a terrible and awful consequence but it wouldn’t stop the action? They are quite different things. One might not agree with either, but they are still different. If the OP genuinely wants to hear opinions and isn’t dog whistling then I need more information. I want to know the source. Some newspapers id trust more to accurately report than others for example.

If you would find it acceptable in any context then that's pretty disgusting, and I am sure you'd feel differently if it was a loved one or yourself being prevented from accessing life saving and time critical treatment. It's also easy to Google, and he is recorded on video saying it, so it isn't just twisted reporting.
Chicchicchicchiclana · 05/10/2021 07:43

What a cunt. How is that going to get people on board with their campaign?

KittenKong · 05/10/2021 07:45

They are fine sacrificing other people/strangers then?

Neonplant · 05/10/2021 07:49

As if we needed more evidence they're a bunch of cunts.

Balonzette · 05/10/2021 07:49

I wonder if they realize that their behavior is making otherwise sympathetic people hostile to their cause.

PurpleParrotfish · 05/10/2021 07:49

Thought so - Extinction Rebellion have put out a statement saying Roger Hallam does not speak for them and is not in any way a ‘leader’ of XR. extinctionrebellion.uk/2021/10/05/5th-october-statement/

PurpleParrotfish · 05/10/2021 07:51

They really should have got rid of him after the Holocaust comments www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/extinction-rebellion-founder-roger-hallam-holocaust-genocide-nazis-a9211781.html