2nd Met Police officer has been charged with rape

[Rinoachicken]

He worked in the same dept as WC.

It’s being very widely reported, except by the BBC.

AIBU to be sickened and wonder WHY the BBC are not reporting this?

Link: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/03/metropolitan-police-officer-charged-rape-hertfordshire?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The problem is a lot of men believe they can act very badly and get away with it. And they are right. They do get away with it.

@YourFinestPantaloons. And you might want to watch your language, it really doesn't help. I won't report it, it's not my style bit it is really offensive.

@mustlovegin

How do you think 79 more women have ended up being murdered since Sarah Everard’s death?

If we didn't have a police force the number of women murdered would have been 2, 3, 100 times that. Can't you see this?

Jesus I can't believe people actually think like this

@MarshmallowSwede

No one is saying we don’t need police. People are saying that reforms are needed. Officers need to be vetted better to make sure they are not sexual offenders or those who are more likely to attack POC and use excessive force.

If you can’t see why women would have some concerns then that’s on you.

Yes exactly, the "without police we'd be screwed" crowd, no one has said we don't want police - but women need, and deserve, better from law enforcement. Much better. And now.

@GnomeDePlume

There was an interesting article in The Telegraph over the weekend (sorry, I cant link as it was behind a paywall) about an anonymous study being carried out where numerous officers are frightened to whistleblow about unacceptable behaviour of fellow officers because of the personal risk to themselves.

There is a genuine fear amongst officers that if they report a fellow officer that they will find themselves unable to call for backup if a situation turns violent while on patrol.

Address this problem and officers will be more comfortable turning in the bad apples before they start to rot the barrel.

I agree. It would be a good place to start

@vivainsomnia

this is a thread about women being raped No it isn't. It's about a man arrested for alleged rape and why it was reported by the BBC.

We don't know in this case that the woman was by the accused. So turning the thread into one about raped women is derailing it and I'm not the one who did so.

Do you realise the ridiculously high burden of proof required to charge a man with rape? You practically have to have CCTV footage, black eyes and a signed confession - even then it probably won't go ahead with a charge. When it gets to this stage, the logical thing is to believe women. If we didn't report at the point of a charge being brought then Jon Worbouys would still be raping women in his taxi.

And yes it is a thread about rape. Why are you so keen to centre men? Genuine question

I really can't believe someone who thinks women should STFU about rape unless a conviction is secured (which it literally isn't in 99% of cases) is boo-hooing about the word 'duck'. It actually beggars belief that someone is so extremely insensitive about real life issues but thinks they can take the moral high ground on a word

*fuck not duck 🤣

Just seen this on an ES link

The woman is said to have come forward to police after widespread media reports of the case of Wayne Couzens, a Met PC who raped and murdered Sarah Everard

So thankfully not the police dragging their heels. But also sad and worrying, as there’s every chance she didn’t come forward before, assuming as he was a cop she would never be believed

Yourfinest you say you are a teacher, perhaps you need to take a few minutes to calm down

@mustlovegin

Yourfinest you say you are a teacher, perhaps you need to take a few minutes to calm down

Why? Can teachers not get angry about violence against women and girls and rape apologists now

@kierenthecommunity

Just seen this on an ES link

The woman is said to have come forward to police after widespread media reports of the case of Wayne Couzens, a Met PC who raped and murdered Sarah Everard

So thankfully not the police dragging their heels. But also sad and worrying, as there’s every chance she didn’t come forward before, assuming as he was a cop she would never be believed

That gives me a little bit of hope that she wasn’t ignored.

But yes it’s a sad society that we live in when women aren’t reporting rape because they feel they won’t be believed and nothing will be done. We need change.

Unfortunately according to rape statistics unless it involved violence and witnesses he is unlikely to be convicted.

@mustlovegin

No, because that’s not how institutional and systemic prejudice works

No matter how many times people keep repeating the 'systemic' and 'institutional' mantra. It doesn't make it true. Offences need to be judged in court on an individual basis.

If I encounter a problem I want to be able to call the police. Of course nobody should let their guard down in current times, but in principle I will trust a police officer much more than I would any random man or woman whatever their ethnicity or background

What about the 350 page MacPherson report which identified institutional racism? Is that not true either because it uses the word institutional?

@mustlovegin

There are many professions, policing included, where you are expected to behave in a way that avoids bringing the entire profession into disrepute. This isn’t one man.

And what about Sue Fish who referred to institutional misogyny? Is she wrong too?

vivainsomnia: And you might want to watch your language, it really doesn't help. I won't report it, it's not my style bit it is really offensive.

YourFinestPantaloons: Hahahahaha. What a joke.

You are happy to sit and be a rape apologist, try and silence women talking about rape and centre men, but I have to mind my language? Are you 10 years old or something?

Fucking fuck, bollocks and cunt, twat, shit and arsehole.

If only you were as offended by VAWG than you are about naughty words

I second the Fucking fuck, bollocks and cunt, twat, shit and arsehole from @YourFinestPantaloons , you can report the shit out of it but it won’t be deleted @vivainsomnia.

Funny how you find it offensive when women swear and @mustlovegin wants women to be ‘pristine’ and yet defend the police.

What a fucked up, misogynistic works we live in , perpetuated by its handmaidens.

Can teachers not get angry about violence against women and girls and rape apologists now

I was reading about the sad story of James Rhodes the other day. How would you feel if all teachers were accused of being X, Y, Z? They are also providing a public service and any wrongdoing would be a serious breach of trust. Tarring them all with the same brush would be out of order, unfair and false.

Opening threads every day to instigate animosity against the police is wrong and dangerous

@mustlovegin

Can teachers not get angry about violence against women and girls and rape apologists now

I was reading about the sad story of James Rhodes the other day. How would you feel if all teachers were accused of being X, Y, Z? They are also providing a public service and any wrongdoing would be a serious breach of trust. Tarring them all with the same brush would be out of order, unfair and false.

Opening threads every day to instigate animosity against the police is wrong and dangerous

Well if loads of teachers were sexually assaulting pupils, being violent at home and still getting to keep their jobs, mixed with nationwide cultures of misogyny and harrasment in the staff room, it only would I leave the profession but if COMPLETELY understand.

But teachers - quite rightly - lose their job if they are violent to somebody, unlike police officers.

But teachers - quite rightly - lose their job if they are violent to somebody

Well, it didn't happen in James Rhodes' case, so we don't know how many there could be or whether they are losing their jobs or not. They point I'm making is that mob lynching and stereotyping/generalising is wrong.

But teachers - quite rightly - lose their job if they are violent to somebody, unlike police officers

And, just to add, I can’t think of a single circumstance where someone would have concerns about conduct of a teacher around children and nickname them The Paedo and do absolutely nothing about it.

I know you’d love to pretend this model we see in the police is rife in other professions @mustlovegin but we all know it isn’t. The police force is very unique in its ratio of authority and corruption.

I’m sickened by these links. And the apologists.

I don’t think talking about racism is derailing. It is possible that misogyny and racism are linked. Ie Men, who think they are superior to women have a hierarchical view of the world. Women can also often complicit in misogyny and obviously racism. For example, I was brought up to believe that men are superior to women. So perhaps it would be useful to tackle these issues in tandem.

[quote Northernlurker]@YerAWizardHarry sounds like your son is now suffering because of institutionalised misogyny. And I repeat the earlier posters question, what is your partner doing about it? What are his colleagues and superiors doing? [/quote]
Perhaps we could all spare a thought for the children of police officers. It is outrageous that they should be persecuted, it really is. I have no doubt that the Couzens/Carrick catastrophe will give school bullies more ammunition to fire at police officers' children. So when an officer's wife speaks of her children being bullied or spat on or whatever we shouldn't ignore her in or worse, accuse her of trying to silence discussion. It is possible to feel the outrage about police crimes against us and also feel outrage at the cruelty aimed
at police officer's children.

The thread is about rape by police.

Why not start a new thread about children of police officers if you want to spare them a thought @SammyScrounge ?

Why just women’s issues be sidelined in favour of a boy?