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What happens to W**** C******'s family?

136 replies

MerryDeath · 02/10/2021 10:40

do families of notorious and vile pieces of filth receive protection, new identities etc or are they left to fend for themselves?

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Barwell76 · 02/10/2021 11:33

She is Ukrainian isnt she? If i was her I would move back there with the kids.

Innovationstandard · 02/10/2021 11:34

His poor kids. I thought of them often, they're victims too. If he's been given a life tariff then surely he has no claim on anything as will never be released?

I get the move away scenario but maybe all her family and friends are where she lives, god knows if ever there was a time you'd need your nearest and dearest it would be at a time like this. Poor woman.

BrendaBubbles · 02/10/2021 11:35

The West kids seem to have been left to fend for themselves and have even kept the name

TakeYourFinalPosition · 02/10/2021 11:35

perhaps move to Canada or Australia or New Zealand.

After Brexit, it’s pretty difficult to move anywhere… but the named places would be particularly challenging at any point, I think, unless his wife has a job on the shortages list.

I don’t think much exists in the way of support…

I do think it’s really unfair to presume that her attending court (although she actually didn’t) was in any way a show of support. She’s been through an ordeal too, and it’s often recommended for people associated to horrendous criminals to go for closure.

Babyroobs · 02/10/2021 11:35

I have been thinking about his family a lot. It must be truly awful for them, how can the kids ever understand what he ha done. i hope they get support.

HalzTangz · 02/10/2021 11:36

I would imagine she will return to the country she was born in, it would certainly be safer for her to return home where I imagine coverage of the murder isn't a huge as it is here in the UK

Bbq1 · 02/10/2021 11:36

@MerryDeath

do families of notorious and vile pieces of filth receive protection, new identities etc or are they left to fend for themselves?
You can say his name you know. Like we say Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Fred West, Ian Huntley and so on. Giving them their names doesn't make their acts any less evil or henious. In fact their names and Wayne Couzens shouldn't be forgotten as their victims will never be forgotten.

In answer to your actual Op, I hope, so. I always wonder about that. They are too entirely innocent victims.

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YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 02/10/2021 11:36

Hello everyone. We removed a similar thread yesterday due to several posts speculating about this man's family members. If it continues here, we're afraid we'll have to delete this thread too.

Butchyrestingface · 02/10/2021 11:37

@HalzTangz

I would imagine she will return to the country she was born in, it would certainly be safer for her to return home where I imagine coverage of the murder isn't a huge as it is here in the UK
Pretty sure I'd want to go home to be with my own family, rather than stay around his (who could potentially pressure her to let him see the kids).
trollopolis · 02/10/2021 11:41

@Shirleyphallus

Why are people still describing murderers as “dear husbands”. If there’s any time to drop the twee little abbreviations it’s here Confused
Despicable. Damned. Diabolical. Dangerous
EllieSattler · 02/10/2021 11:47

[quote Loveshelly]@JaffavsCookie
Omg really! That’s insane
Hopefully he will just give her everything.[/quote]
Someone who has done what he has done to a woman surely isn't likely to make life easy for a woman divorcing him. In his twisted head he will probably have his own sick version of why he's done nothing wrong, and will be incredibly angry at everything that's happening 'to him'. I've seen it on a smaller scale from an abusive relative.

felulageller · 02/10/2021 11:48

Whether they have ongoing 'support' or intervention will depend on the mums attitude to contact

It is shocking how many mums push for contact between DC's and violent men.

If she is considering taking them for visits at prison that will be assessed.

He could also enlist his own solicitor (with legal aid) to go to court to get contact.

It's awful- that tariff of offender should automatically have their PRR revoked.

RJnomore1 · 02/10/2021 11:51

@EllieSattler it’s a way to try to keep control.

@YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet this threads hugely supportive of the family and the situations people find themselves in, why not just delete the rare post that isn’t? Or is it a topic we aren’t allowed to discuss because I think understanding the impact on perpetrators families is really important having seen from my work the devastation it causes to them too.

Barwell76 · 02/10/2021 11:54

I read somewhere he keeps his police pension, dont know if that is true.

user1471538283 · 02/10/2021 11:54

There will be no support for them whilst we have to pay to house the vile waste of air. I imagine she would have half of any assets but as we all know that doesn't go far.

actingsergeant · 02/10/2021 11:58

‘censoring’ his name is pointless and ridiculous. We all know his name, not typing it in full doesn’t undo what he’s done ffs 🙄

Funnylittlefloozie · 02/10/2021 12:10

He will not keep his police pension, he was sacked. Assuming his wife divorces him, I think she'd have pretty good grounds to take the bulk of the assets - she has the children to care for entirely single-handed, she's never going to get maintenance, she won't get his police pension like she would if he'd died, he will never be released from prison so has no need of a substantial share of the assets to house, clothe and feed himself. She might be able to claim whatever is in his pension fund now, but he wasn't a copper that long, was he, so it won't be loads.

I would just change my name straightaway and move house... but you'd be amazed at the families of notorious criminals who don't!

RJnomore1 · 02/10/2021 12:15

I’ve been looking up the police pension thing.

I don’t think you necessarily lose it automatically if you are sacked but the home office can remove it in certain circumstances including if it causes public mistrust of the service so I suspect they will.

I’m not 100 per cent clear if that was if you were already claiming it though. Anyway it looks like he won’t get it.

CatKittyCatCatKittyCatCat · 02/10/2021 12:16

A man with a high profile locally (minister) was arrested as leader of a paedophile ring when I was a teenager.

His wife very quickly and publically repudiated him (spoke out and started divorce right away). She and her children got a lot of support.

Still wasn’t easy for them. One of the children was a couple of years older than me at school (same school a lot of his victims attended as his church was in the catchment area and he was school chaplain as well as involved in local scout group etc). She looked haunted.

Butchyrestingface · 02/10/2021 12:17

@actingsergeant

‘censoring’ his name is pointless and ridiculous. We all know his name, not typing it in full doesn’t undo what he’s done ffs 🙄
I knew it was immediately but still read it as Wanker Cunt. Which doesn't even approach a sufficient description of him.
KittenKong · 02/10/2021 12:21

@Barwell76

She is Ukrainian isnt she? If i was her I would move back there with the kids.
There was an interview with her twin sister who said that she didn’t think she’d return. Also that he seemed like a nice guy and that her sister never had a bad thing to say about him. I can’t imagine she isn’t waking up every night in a cold sweat though (wondering if he had ever planned to murder her and their children). I also assume she will get so much hate and accusations (you must have known, how didn’t you know...). Her live and their children’s lives are now destroyed too.
KittenKong · 02/10/2021 12:23

And on the subject - there was a report yesterday of a retired french policeman who committed murder - and left a bite to say that he had been a serial killer when he way younger (before meeting his wife and settling down). No one had a clue and everyone seems to be scratching their heads on amazement. Blow me!

MrsLargeEmbodied · 02/10/2021 12:32

i hope she gets some sort of anonymity and people leave her alone, and her children,
i should imagine they are having counselling

KittenKong · 02/10/2021 12:35

I hope they are getting help. I feel sorry for the children especially.

BorderlineHappy · 02/10/2021 12:37

I think that's how they get away with it for so long.
They're just normal people hiding in plain sight.