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To think this is relatively normal behaviour for children?

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user124765 · 01/10/2021 23:27

Name changed for this, and also posting here for traffic.

I have three children from my marriage that ended a few years back. They are aged 10, 8 and 5. No learning issues with the kids or anything else to note, they are (to my mind) all NT.

The issue is that DP (who is hoping to live with us very soon) seems to take constant issue with their behaviour. This evening the children were upstairs getting ready for bed and I'd asked my 8 year old to have a quick shower before he brushed his teeth etc. We've just moved in to this house in the last few days so everything is quite new and different for the kids. I turned the shower on and checked it was the correct temperature for him before I left the bathroom instructing him to wash his body and not worry about his hair for tonight.
I get downstairs and sit on the sofa next to DP and almost immediately DS shouts 'Mummy!' from upstairs. I get up and head up to see what he needs, but he can't hear my reply to hang on... I'm coming, because of the noise of the shower so continues yelling 'Mummy!' and getting increasingly louder.
Once I've sorted DS out, which takes about 3 minutes, I head back downstairs and take my place back on the sofa. Immediately DP starts having a go at me about 'letting him talk to you like shit'. His tone is quite aggressive actually and I just feel like a bit of support from him rather than a bollocking for lacking as a parent wouldn't go amiss at this stage.

It's almost constant now, whenever we're together as a 'family'. DP's need to micromanage my children and his insistence that they behave badly. I feel like I'm on tenterhooks all the time, waiting for something to kick off and I'm stuck in the middle trying to mediate the drama.
The kids are fine! They are children and full of joy and they do get excited from time to time. They sometimes push boundaries and behave badly...but isn't that normal? I feel like he's trying to turn my kids in to what he believes children should behave like, when as someone who's never had children himself he just doesn't know how kids really are!

Tonight I just lost my shit a bit and told him that I refuse to live my life walking on egg shells and I'm not going to change my parenting to suit him. I choose my children, every time. He said something like 'do you want me to fuck off then?' to which I replied that yes, him going home would probably be for the best right now. He was visibly upset and stormed out slamming the door behind him. He called me a 'fucking prick' under his breath too, which shocked me. That in itself is unforgivable to me I think. I felt sad when he'd gone but also incredibly relieved.

But now what? Do I end this? If I don't then I guess I have to keep him separate from my family, I can't risk him screwing my kids up with his controlling behaviour. Or is it me? 🤷‍♀️ Is he right that my children need pulling up on this behaviour. I just think it's normal...but who knows? Giggling in restaurants, being daft at bedtime when they've been told to settle down, shouting Mummy! over and over until you drop everything and go running. Isn't this all normal?

OP posts:
Dontknowanymore2 · 03/10/2021 19:36

Definitely dump him, he will make you and your children's life hell. As he has no children he doesn't know what hes talking about. Dont have him back and he get rid of his own place you will regret it down the line and it will ruin your children's childhood.

HermioneAndRoger · 03/10/2021 19:36

OP has ended the relationship.

SpidersAreShitheads · 03/10/2021 19:37

READ

THE

OP'S

UPDATES.

For the love of god!!

Wills · 03/10/2021 19:38

OMG, you are an amazing person! If I lost my DH, he's had cancer since he was 23 (we're 52 and 54 now) but the cloud never leaves you, I've always felt I could never have another. Not because he's some miracle husband, so not!!!, but because at least when I'm putting our children first they're his children too. I watched too many of my friends take up with men who don't have kids, or even have kids but still don't get it. I'm not saying my dh is wonderful, far from it (I could talk the hind legs off a donkey about his faults etc) but that, whatever else, I can at least reason for him to put our kids first! A new man, especially one who doesn't have their own kids, just wouldn't get this. A new man with kids 'might' get this, but there is no way your 'ex' will ever understand that he's not number one priority. I've seen that far too often with my friends (and my own mother!). So as agonising as it is - good on you for leaving him, and next time when you start dating either explain your kids come first no matter what or only date those men with kids (though that adds all kinds of dimensions.) Good luck.

NurseMumMe · 03/10/2021 19:45

You hear the alarm bells ringing loud and clear …. Get rid fast !
Your children are little and need you
None of you need this person in your lives

Caffeinette · 03/10/2021 19:46

I just read all your responses. Please please rest assured that you are not a shitty mother, you have ensured that you put your children first. That’s brave and rather wonderful. This will pass and you’ll know you did the right thing. I separated from my ex husband who was abusive towards my eldest son and I grieved for the relationship despite deep down knowing it had been the right thing to do. Luckily I had the support of 2 wonderful friends who helped me get through it. I’m now remarried to a wonderful man 7 years my junior (go me!) who is everything my ex wasn’t and I can’t believe I stayed with my ex for so long.
You’ll get through this and you will find someone who is kind to you AND your children 💐💐

wellstopdoingitthen · 03/10/2021 19:48

@TertiusLydgate

Why are you subjecting your kids to him? He sounds awful.

I would not let my kids grow up anywhere near him, frankly.

She has already ended the relationship.
NurseMumMe · 03/10/2021 19:56

You are a great mum!
You’ve put yourself and your children first.
Of course you’re sad, you’ve lost hopes and dreams with this person.
But you have your home, your children and are safe… i think he’s shown his true colours and had you continued this relationship you and your children would not have been safe emotionally or maybe even physically.
I hope you find strength to move forwards without him in your life

Tessabelle74 · 03/10/2021 19:56

Just don't let him in your house again. He's the prick

Patapouf · 03/10/2021 19:57

Funny how he takes umbrage with your kids talking to you like shit but thinks it's okay for him to do it? What a dickhead.

Kids behaviour sounds normal to me FWIW.

LovelyIssues · 03/10/2021 20:00

Children sound normal. Man sounds like more of a child then them. This sill not last OP once he moves in. Sorry

deedeegee · 03/10/2021 20:03

There's nothing wrong with your children - it's DP. His controlling behaviour will only get worse towards your children and you... this is a gigantic red flag- take notice!

Bombaloorina · 03/10/2021 20:05

@Graphista

It's so depressing CONSTANTLY seeing threads like this appear.

It's really very simple - prioritise your kids over your love life and most certainly over a man who clearly resents them!

The behaviour you are describing is perfectly normal - if slightly irritating at times!

That's life with dc of this age.

With this guy my concern would be if this is what he's like with slightly irritating incidents before he has moved in what the HELL will he be like if he does move in and in 5/6 years when your ds is entering teens and is bigger, more grumpy (as teen boys tend to be naturally) and possibly even challenging his "authority" and represents more of a "threat" to him in his "dominant male" mind ?

I dread to think!

I say get rid.

I just feel like when we are all together I'm really on edge. Trying to make sure my children are behaving to his standard, not being silly, impolite or ill mannered in any way.

Is he perfectly behaved at all times?! Obviously not! So why does he expect CHILDREN to be? Arse!

Much like DP is because of his bullying father.

Like father like son eh?

Any glimpse of this behaviour from DP that I've seen before has been quite fleeting

But it HAS been there and until now you ignored that.

We really need to get away from socialising girls and women to be "nice" and "forgiving" and instead tell them DON'T ignore red flags, challenge dodgy behaviour and comments the moment they arise.

This is your chance to dodge a bullet - not just for you but your kids too

I don't understand why you would WANT to continue seeing someone who treats your kids this way and doesn't respect or show kindness towards you!

Are you afraid of being single? Another element of sexist socialisation that needs to end! I am single and have been for many years. Nothing wrong with being single at all in fact the vast majority of the time I much prefer it!

It wasn't a conscious decision at first I was raw after a messy divorce, I've dated at times but as time went on I came to really value and enjoy my single status and all it meant and gave me. So now it would take someone REALLY special to tempt me to give that up.

Well done for sending that message op and it was absolutely correct!

Even abused kids can still have complicated feelings about their abuser especially if they're in a parental role op. I am 49, I grew up in an abusive home and at times was nc with my father the abuser but I was unable to maintain that for a number of reasons inc that of course like anyone he wasn't all bad! It's a deeply complicated relationship. Kids will even physically cling onto someone who has severely abused them as they are being removed from their care. They are children you are the adult you have to do what you know is best for them.

They don't have the knowledge/life experience of how his attitude/behaviour will affect them long term.

Your post yesterday at 1534 surely confirms you were absolutely right to get rid! His response to being dumped was to go on the attack! And in a particularly nasty way

Three years in the making, this 'relationship'. He's only been around my children for the last year, and even then I tried to keep him at arms length. I just didn't see this side to him, not ever.

This is exactly why it horrifies me on other threads when posters are planning to introduce kids very early on and move the new man in very quickly. It takes time for people like this to reveal their true colours.

The mouse - again nobody is all bad. That's exactly the kinda thing my father would have done! He was very into nature and wildlife. He was also capable of slamming my mother against the door and grabbing her by the throat if dinner wasn't something he fancied!

He also taught me to swim, ride and maintain a bike, could be funny, give good advice and generally was very interesting to talk to.

None of that negates the csa he subjected me to, or the physical abuse meted out to my siblings.

I know this man being discussed isn't abusive at that extreme but honestly my point is the most abusive people can also be very nice/good in other ways.

But the good rarely outweighs the bad.

It also serves abusive people to be "nice" at first to get in the relationship to get the control in the first place.

I have asked my mum on numerous occasions what she saw in my dad. She says on top of being VERY good looking (which he absolutely was, very classically so) when they first met he was funny, very generous (he had a well paid job and was still living at home paying a nominal amount of keep so he had it to spend), charming, interesting and entertaining "life and soul of the party" type with raconteur skills which I knew about him. His friends were lovely too which she took as a good sign, she unfortunately ignored his family where there were several red flags! She even met his most recent ex who also had nothing but good things to say about him even though they had parted.

It wasn't until she fell pregnant with me quickly followed by a shotgun engagement/wedding that things began to change. Basically as soon as he had her "trapped" he changed.

He became like his father (violent alcoholic) the violence actually came before the descent into the bottle although that did worsen things.

Being the eldest I remembered what he was like before the alcohol took hold. Both parents tried/still try to blame the drink but I well remember him hitting, punching and kicking mum before that point, shouting, slamming doors, throwing all sorts around. It wasn't the drink the drink just made him worse!

That's outrageously inappropriate messaging your dd like that. I'd be sending him a final message saying to stay the hell away or you will have to take legal action of some form.

Please be careful with this guy and do not hesitate to call in help if needed. Do you have any big burly male relatives/friends who can provide support if needed? Shouldn't be necessary I know but that's the world we live in

All that advice typed out at length, for nothing.
ShinyHappyPeopleHoldingHaands · 03/10/2021 20:07

It’s over OP. Take it from someone who tried, for too long, to make a relationship work that was never going to because he was too irritated by my children. The kids must come first every time, which you have stated yourself. He definitely can’t live with you - God no- and there’s no point in plodding on with a relationship with someone who doesn’t understand your relationship with your kids. Yes, blended families require effort but there are times when it’s obvious that it will never work. Get out now. There is someone out there in your future who will love you AND your children. Anybody else is putting them second whether or not you are able to take this on board right now

Ifbutandmaybe · 03/10/2021 20:10

Get rid your kids sound like any other kids and be awful to spoil their relationship with you and their personalities because of him , he sounds victorian children should be seen not heard! Maybe thats way he was bought up but u deserve better , He's the prick

smilingontheinside · 03/10/2021 20:10

Run, run for the hills not a good start and will only end badly. Your man's behaviour around your children is already causing a problem and to call you a prick under his breath is the sort of nasty thing my ex would do they deny saying anything horrible. Sorry that your relationship may end but better now than further down the line when more damage may be done to you and your children.

Mummyoflittledragon · 03/10/2021 20:12

I saw your thread before but didn’t get round to commenting the way you’ve handled yourself is commendable. He’s a vile idiot. You otoh sound like a great mum. You’ve communicated effectively to your kids, allowed them to be upset at his departure etc.

How dare he contact a 10 year old child. Please never, never get back with him. He is vile and manipulative. A parent would know how inappropriate this is. So many red flags.

@PickAChew
It’s comparing his treatment of the mouse to op. She answers back and therefore does not deserve good treatment in his eyes.

Bombaloorina · 03/10/2021 20:14

It’s over OP.

She knows. She ended it.

Get rid

She has.

Run, run for the hills

She has. Several days ago, now.

Bubbles90 · 03/10/2021 20:15

Just wanted to say well done you. You listened to your gut feelings about what you were seeing and feeling and ended it and are holding firm. You've put your beautiful children and you first. That makes you a super mother. The happiness of your family comes first.

JMR185 · 03/10/2021 20:17

It will only get worse if he moves in. Difficult for you as you must have strong feelings for him. If you want to continue the relationship, he must have good points, suggest you try family counselling.

Allinadayswork80 · 03/10/2021 20:20

Same as all the other posters, all sounds like normal kiddie behaviour to me. If he’s got issues now then it’ll only get worse if he moves in and sounds like he has no respect for you either to call you a “fucking prick”. Unacceptable behaviour on his part. I’m not sure he’s got the makings of a decent stepfather OR partner and if I were you I’d cut your losses now I’m afraid. Not just for your kids’ sakes but for yours too. Sorry OP x

Yesitsbess · 03/10/2021 20:26

@SpidersAreShitheads

READ

THE

OP'S

UPDATES.

For the love of god!!

Indeed.

He is now texting her daughter. Which has compounded everything by around 180%

You are well rid OP. Block the heck out of him.

pomers · 03/10/2021 20:29

Get this man out of your life and away from your children now. This will only get worse. You and your kids will be nervous wrecks. It is controlling and abusive

EspressoDoubleShot · 03/10/2021 20:30

@pomers

Get this man out of your life and away from your children now. This will only get worse. You and your kids will be nervous wrecks. It is controlling and abusive
Deeply catastrophic warning except She’s actually finished it with the man. Over. Kaput
Icanflyhigh · 03/10/2021 20:34

Put your DC first and do not let this man move in with you/them.

He does not and will not make any of you happy.