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To think this is relatively normal behaviour for children?

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user124765 · 01/10/2021 23:27

Name changed for this, and also posting here for traffic.

I have three children from my marriage that ended a few years back. They are aged 10, 8 and 5. No learning issues with the kids or anything else to note, they are (to my mind) all NT.

The issue is that DP (who is hoping to live with us very soon) seems to take constant issue with their behaviour. This evening the children were upstairs getting ready for bed and I'd asked my 8 year old to have a quick shower before he brushed his teeth etc. We've just moved in to this house in the last few days so everything is quite new and different for the kids. I turned the shower on and checked it was the correct temperature for him before I left the bathroom instructing him to wash his body and not worry about his hair for tonight.
I get downstairs and sit on the sofa next to DP and almost immediately DS shouts 'Mummy!' from upstairs. I get up and head up to see what he needs, but he can't hear my reply to hang on... I'm coming, because of the noise of the shower so continues yelling 'Mummy!' and getting increasingly louder.
Once I've sorted DS out, which takes about 3 minutes, I head back downstairs and take my place back on the sofa. Immediately DP starts having a go at me about 'letting him talk to you like shit'. His tone is quite aggressive actually and I just feel like a bit of support from him rather than a bollocking for lacking as a parent wouldn't go amiss at this stage.

It's almost constant now, whenever we're together as a 'family'. DP's need to micromanage my children and his insistence that they behave badly. I feel like I'm on tenterhooks all the time, waiting for something to kick off and I'm stuck in the middle trying to mediate the drama.
The kids are fine! They are children and full of joy and they do get excited from time to time. They sometimes push boundaries and behave badly...but isn't that normal? I feel like he's trying to turn my kids in to what he believes children should behave like, when as someone who's never had children himself he just doesn't know how kids really are!

Tonight I just lost my shit a bit and told him that I refuse to live my life walking on egg shells and I'm not going to change my parenting to suit him. I choose my children, every time. He said something like 'do you want me to fuck off then?' to which I replied that yes, him going home would probably be for the best right now. He was visibly upset and stormed out slamming the door behind him. He called me a 'fucking prick' under his breath too, which shocked me. That in itself is unforgivable to me I think. I felt sad when he'd gone but also incredibly relieved.

But now what? Do I end this? If I don't then I guess I have to keep him separate from my family, I can't risk him screwing my kids up with his controlling behaviour. Or is it me? 🤷‍♀️ Is he right that my children need pulling up on this behaviour. I just think it's normal...but who knows? Giggling in restaurants, being daft at bedtime when they've been told to settle down, shouting Mummy! over and over until you drop everything and go running. Isn't this all normal?

OP posts:
toxic44 · 03/10/2021 18:35

Telling him it was time to go sounds as if you've already made your decision and finished with him. Follow your instinct and stick to what you've said. It doesn't sound as if there's a way back to anything worth having.

JustDoingMe · 03/10/2021 18:35

Couple of people on here asking if no one reads the OP's updates? The thread is 22 pages and counting long!
So sorry so maybe some get missed with the amount of traffic on this issue!

JustDoingMe · 03/10/2021 18:37

The whole thread is 22 and counting pages long so noI did not!

JustDanceAddict · 03/10/2021 18:38

Normal behaviour from
Kids, the partner sounds jealous.

ButtonandPickle19 · 03/10/2021 18:39

I agree they sound totally normal but arguments are normal and maybe he needs to be told and feel he’s getting heard.
Being a step parent is tough, being a completely inexperienced one is tougher. I just think one fight after a pressured week is shitty but maybe communication can be key

Blueink · 03/10/2021 18:40

Totally normal. If he has no insight and not willing to compromise, it’s not going to work out, sorry OP

YDBear · 03/10/2021 18:41

There's no problem with your kids. There is a big problem with him. Obviously, he resents the attention the kids get and doesn't really like them. That's all you need to know. If he doesn't like your kids, you don't have room for him in your life. Actually, he sounds worse than this, a real controlling a*hole. Calling you a prick is just ridiculous. So glad you dropped him. MAKE SURE YOU BLOCK HIM ON YOUR PHONE. Sorry to shout, but really, you need to do that.

Feeasco · 03/10/2021 18:42

Absolutely normal. Your DP sounds too critical and unnecessarily strict. You're right to not tolerate abusive name calling. It will be your children next. He does not seem respectful of their needs as children, and how they are coping dealing with having to share you with someone new in the home.
Hooray for you making the right choice and putting your children first. He may try come back but I think changing his attitude towards parenting wont happen. It has to do with how he was raised.
He is already not respecting boundaries and sounds somewhat resentful.Imagine how he will cope when they are teenagers and test you? They are happy in themselves and that is something valuable!
Good luck x

swelchphr · 03/10/2021 18:43

That was a really strong thing you did to break up. He sounded terrible for everyone’s emotional well-being before the breakup and he, upset or not, really showed how bad he could be when it happened. Your children’s behaviour sound completely age-appropriate and you are a terrific mum! Flowers

payens · 03/10/2021 18:43

He's a bully, get rid.

Bombaloorina · 03/10/2021 18:43

The number of people who just read the first post and then post themselves (and think what they have to say is relevant/helpful) is incredible.

It’s a long thread - don’t you think things have probably moved on?

It’s easy to just read the OP’s updates, even if you’re not going to read everyone else’s.

Loudestcat14 · 03/10/2021 18:44

I've re-read your posts and I can't see where it says that your ex has children himself. I checked because I'm wondering why you care what anyone who isn't a parent thinks about the way you're raising your kids? You've absolutely done the right thing binning him off, OP – the way he's gone behind your back to contact your child is so, so manipulative.

Gran71 · 03/10/2021 18:45

He will only get worse if he moves in. I would finish it with him. Your children are more important. They sound like lovely kids, don’t let him spoil what you’ve got.

Loudestcat14 · 03/10/2021 18:45

@JustDoingMe

Couple of people on here asking if no one reads the OP's updates? The thread is 22 pages and counting long! So sorry so maybe some get missed with the amount of traffic on this issue!
If you click on "see all" at the bottom it brings up all of OP's posts in a list so you don't have to trawl through the entire thread to see her updates.
sniggy11 · 03/10/2021 18:46

Yes it is normal!!
Honestly, listen to your own voice- warning bells are ringing.

custardlover · 03/10/2021 18:47

I'm a bit late to this but firstly, OP, you are doing the right thing. His behaviour is giving me the fear to be honest so I want to send you strength and courage ❤️

LoverOfAllThingsPurple · 03/10/2021 18:47

Stick to your guns and you did the right thing. Do not let him tell you how to raise your kids and absolutely DO NOT let him move in with you. His behaviour and need for control over you n your kids will intensify and get worse. Don’t do it.

CiaoForNiao · 03/10/2021 18:48

Well done op.

I was in a similar situation, only we lived together and he ended it because he "hated my kids." Like yours, they were normal perfectly well behaved children. The difference in them when he left was amazing. As broken and damaged as he left me, it was for the best and I only wish I'd seen it myself and binned him off.

Have a gentle unmumsnetty hug from me.

Mollymoostoo · 03/10/2021 18:52

@Changechangychange

Get rid. Your children sound lovely.
This. My DH was like this from the start and still is 11 years later. The relationship between him and the kids is awful and I'm always caught in the middle. But of course I can't ever say anything about his DD and her mother, my kids are spwan of the devil. He won't change and you have to put your kids first. You will end up in a war zone.
Asoul80 · 03/10/2021 18:53

I had a similar near miss when my first born was only 20 months old. She said some things about my son that I felt were unforgivable and I walked away from her there and then. When I met my wife a few months later, she did everything in her power to make him comfortable with her. It came so naturally that he was calling her mummy within the year. 8 years on and our family has grown bigger and happier.

ArtMill2010 · 03/10/2021 18:53

This has 'controlling arsehole' written all over it.

Get rid, be sad for a bit, then find someone better or stay single. Will be better for you all in the long run.

Control starts small, but gets worse month after month and year after year.

Watermelooooon · 03/10/2021 18:54

What every other poster has said! Do not let him dictate to your children! They're completely normal in what they do. And you are too!! The way he's behaved just shows you what he is like now and for future reference! Enjoy the kids someone better will eventually come along.

Annie202 · 03/10/2021 18:55

I am sorry but this relationship will damage both you and your children. You are all worth so much more. Let him go.

Graphista · 03/10/2021 18:56

It's so depressing CONSTANTLY seeing threads like this appear.

It's really very simple - prioritise your kids over your love life and most certainly over a man who clearly resents them!

The behaviour you are describing is perfectly normal - if slightly irritating at times!

That's life with dc of this age.

With this guy my concern would be if this is what he's like with slightly irritating incidents before he has moved in what the HELL will he be like if he does move in and in 5/6 years when your ds is entering teens and is bigger, more grumpy (as teen boys tend to be naturally) and possibly even challenging his "authority" and represents more of a "threat" to him in his "dominant male" mind ?

I dread to think!

I say get rid.

I just feel like when we are all together I'm really on edge. Trying to make sure my children are behaving to his standard, not being silly, impolite or ill mannered in any way.

Is he perfectly behaved at all times?! Obviously not! So why does he expect CHILDREN to be? Arse!

Much like DP is because of his bullying father.

Like father like son eh?

Any glimpse of this behaviour from DP that I've seen before has been quite fleeting

But it HAS been there and until now you ignored that.

We really need to get away from socialising girls and women to be "nice" and "forgiving" and instead tell them DON'T ignore red flags, challenge dodgy behaviour and comments the moment they arise.

This is your chance to dodge a bullet - not just for you but your kids too

I don't understand why you would WANT to continue seeing someone who treats your kids this way and doesn't respect or show kindness towards you!

Are you afraid of being single? Another element of sexist socialisation that needs to end! I am single and have been for many years. Nothing wrong with being single at all in fact the vast majority of the time I much prefer it!

It wasn't a conscious decision at first I was raw after a messy divorce, I've dated at times but as time went on I came to really value and enjoy my single status and all it meant and gave me. So now it would take someone REALLY special to tempt me to give that up.

Well done for sending that message op and it was absolutely correct!

Even abused kids can still have complicated feelings about their abuser especially if they're in a parental role op. I am 49, I grew up in an abusive home and at times was nc with my father the abuser but I was unable to maintain that for a number of reasons inc that of course like anyone he wasn't all bad! It's a deeply complicated relationship. Kids will even physically cling onto someone who has severely abused them as they are being removed from their care. They are children you are the adult you have to do what you know is best for them.

They don't have the knowledge/life experience of how his attitude/behaviour will affect them long term.

Your post yesterday at 1534 surely confirms you were absolutely right to get rid! His response to being dumped was to go on the attack! And in a particularly nasty way

Three years in the making, this 'relationship'. He's only been around my children for the last year, and even then I tried to keep him at arms length. I just didn't see this side to him, not ever.

This is exactly why it horrifies me on other threads when posters are planning to introduce kids very early on and move the new man in very quickly. It takes time for people like this to reveal their true colours.

The mouse - again nobody is all bad. That's exactly the kinda thing my father would have done! He was very into nature and wildlife. He was also capable of slamming my mother against the door and grabbing her by the throat if dinner wasn't something he fancied!

He also taught me to swim, ride and maintain a bike, could be funny, give good advice and generally was very interesting to talk to.

None of that negates the csa he subjected me to, or the physical abuse meted out to my siblings.

I know this man being discussed isn't abusive at that extreme but honestly my point is the most abusive people can also be very nice/good in other ways.

But the good rarely outweighs the bad.

It also serves abusive people to be "nice" at first to get in the relationship to get the control in the first place.

I have asked my mum on numerous occasions what she saw in my dad. She says on top of being VERY good looking (which he absolutely was, very classically so) when they first met he was funny, very generous (he had a well paid job and was still living at home paying a nominal amount of keep so he had it to spend), charming, interesting and entertaining "life and soul of the party" type with raconteur skills which I knew about him. His friends were lovely too which she took as a good sign, she unfortunately ignored his family where there were several red flags! She even met his most recent ex who also had nothing but good things to say about him even though they had parted.

It wasn't until she fell pregnant with me quickly followed by a shotgun engagement/wedding that things began to change. Basically as soon as he had her "trapped" he changed.

He became like his father (violent alcoholic) the violence actually came before the descent into the bottle although that did worsen things.

Being the eldest I remembered what he was like before the alcohol took hold. Both parents tried/still try to blame the drink but I well remember him hitting, punching and kicking mum before that point, shouting, slamming doors, throwing all sorts around. It wasn't the drink the drink just made him worse!

That's outrageously inappropriate messaging your dd like that. I'd be sending him a final message saying to stay the hell away or you will have to take legal action of some form.

Please be careful with this guy and do not hesitate to call in help if needed. Do you have any big burly male relatives/friends who can provide support if needed? Shouldn't be necessary I know but that's the world we live in

Higgeldypiggeldy35 · 03/10/2021 18:56

Someone who calls his partner a fucking prick is not someone I would want around my children. Trust your gut. Protect your children. Get rid.