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Unvacinated nanny

144 replies

Roxyoc · 29/09/2021 10:13

Hello - We took out baby out of nursery spend ages trying to find a nanny instead. We have found somebody recommended by a colleague however she is not vacincated for Covid for personal reasons. Our baby is 10 months old, we are both double vacinated however I am still uneasy about this. My husband thinks its fine but I'm keen to know what other Mums think.

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BlueJag · 30/09/2021 02:00

I'm vaccinated fully. I currently have Covid. I had it bad last week and I'm over the worse now.
Sad state of affairs when we start to discriminate against others because they make a choice about their lives and their bodies.

Mostlylurkingiam · 30/09/2021 02:00

Absolutely not, all people working woth children or vulnerable groups should have had not only covid but vaccines like whooping cough. No excuses.

Derbee · 30/09/2021 02:06

Absolutely not. Firstly, being unvaccinated means she’s likely to have to take a lot more time off due to isolating etc. Secondly, anyone who “doesn’t believe in vaccines” is not someone with enough intelligence or common sense to trust with your child.

NumberTheory · 30/09/2021 02:21

@BlueJag

I'm vaccinated fully. I currently have Covid. I had it bad last week and I'm over the worse now. Sad state of affairs when we start to discriminate against others because they make a choice about their lives and their bodies.

I wouldn't hire a nanny who smoked, and I suspect quite a lot of people wouldn't. That's also discrimination against others for a choice they make about their body. It's not illegal discrimination, though.

As with the vaccine, it's a choice that increases risk for your own family, so it's reasonable to consider it.

puddlebubble · 30/09/2021 02:28

well if you can get a nanny who is vaccinated then do, it suits your household better. Just wait and find the right person. I have yet to hear a compelling argument for not being vaccinated beyond autonomy.

puddlebubble · 30/09/2021 02:29

And Jesus I have heard it all:

I have a health condition that data to date hasn’t cleared for vaccination.
My God does not agree
My doctor told me it is not necessary
The drugs are not safe
I don’t believe in drugs
I don’t believe in vaccines
Humans may need drugs but only particular ones
Covid is not real
Fake news and data since the start

10. Herd immunity, survival of the fittest 11. Way of weeding out the old people 12. New world order decided to reduce world population 13. Only over 84 year olds die 14. My immune system is stronger than everyone elses 15. No-one near me has ever gotten it 16. I had a cold 18 months ago, never tested but it was COVID, didn’t knock a feather out of me. 17. I had covid months ago, it was fine, doesn’t really matter about anyone else. 18. Those with covid under 40 were fucked anyway for a health condition 19. I haven’t had a cold in 3 years, I am a super immune person. 20. Bats only come out at Halloween

and finally though I wish I could give credit to the mumsnet writer:

An OP asked what anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists were worried would be in the covid vaccine …. “Sedation, so we all stay inside whilst they change the batteries in the birds.”

SarahBellam · 30/09/2021 04:36

Her values and yours don't align. For that reason alone I'd not employ her.

Hydrate · 30/09/2021 04:41

No.

Sprostongreen21 · 30/09/2021 05:08

[quote NoEffingWay]@Charles11 I am triple vaccinated and have never had covid despite working in frontline healthcare all the way through.

The vaccine has changed everything, the covid wards have gone back to their normal care of non-covid patients. There is a sense of relief in the nursing profession that the worst is behind us. [/quote]
Same here vaccinated and never caught covid despite being very close to patients with it at times with a lovely plastic Libby and basic mask. Awaiting the booster to get through winter.

We are down to the lowest covid patients we’ve had for months, with cases this high before we would have had several wards open and a lot more than 4/5 in critical care. Patients that are vaccinated aren’t in hospital generally as long or as sick either. So it’s doing it’s thing well.

Vaccinated people may catch covid as the delta variant is is so infectious ( remember the vaccine was made before that mutated) and that part of the vaccine does wane after a few months, however it’s still less chance than those that aren’t. None of my vaccinated colleagues that have had covid recently had any issues and were back in work after 10-14 days.

Sprostongreen21 · 30/09/2021 05:09

*plastic pinny!

Deathling · 30/09/2021 05:14

No, no, and no (btw, I learned that my daughter's former teacher died of Covid just a few days ago, and no she wasn't vaccinated for personal reasons).

MilesOfSand · 30/09/2021 05:21

[quote Talktalkchat]@ilovesooty a year ago there was no vaccines and rates/deaths were very, very, very low.

Can you believe it would be ok to leave the house when you live with someone who has covid.

Think about it.[/quote]
I wonder if it’s safe for you to leave the house at all.

MareofBeasttown · 30/09/2021 05:54

Don't trust the judgement and good sense of anti-vaxxers, so no.

crikeycrumbsblimey · 30/09/2021 06:29

This is prime time of year for hiring a nanny due to start of school year and many leaving jobs.
My amazing ex nanny hasn’t got fixed up yet following maternity leave. If a nanny of her standard is floating around I wouldn’t hire someone who “doesn’t believe in vaccines”.

Milkbottlelegs · 30/09/2021 06:35

as long as she's washing her hands etc it'll be fine!

Oh my god. If only we’d all been washing our hands for the last 18 months we wouldn’t still be in this mess. Any one who’s caught covid must be a dirty f er.

Somebody tell AZ to stop the production line. We just need people to wash their hands!

milkyaqua · 30/09/2021 08:30

[quote Talktalkchat]@ilovesooty a year ago there was no vaccines and rates/deaths were very, very, very low.

Can you believe it would be ok to leave the house when you live with someone who has covid.

Think about it.[/quote]
I am struggling to understand this. A year ago, there were no vaccines - and rates and deaths were very, very, very high, in fact. The next sentence makes no sense either.

Think about what? Never mind.

Maray1967 · 30/09/2021 08:36

Was your DH prepared to look after your child when she was not at work? Or is he assuming you would deal with it? He might be less keen to hire someone not vaccinated if it will impact on him.
There is no way I would hire someone who refuses the vaccine for no good reason. So far I haven’t actually met someone like that, as far as I am aware. All our family are vaccinated and all my colleagues and friends.
I do know people who have had COVID after both jabs, in one case worse than when he had it the first time, so we should all appreciate that the vaccine does not guarantee freedom from COVID, but as far as I understand, it significantly reduces most people’s chances of getting it. I wouldn’t want to employ someone who doesn’t understand how we have a social responsibility to get vaccinated if we medically can. Would she be commenting on MMR etc? I couldn’t have someone like that round my child if it is in my power to avoid it. It isn’t in your power to insist a teacher has it but you can make that choice regarding childcare for your preschool child.

JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil · 30/09/2021 09:28

No because you’ll end up having to pay her and find back up every time she has to isolate. Also all the anti vaxxers I know are a bit dim so I’d be concerned over what other poor decisions she’d make when in charge of my child.

RedRec · 30/09/2021 09:34

God, no. Have absolutely no time for anti vax nutjobs.

Grenlei · 30/09/2021 10:14

Not everyone who isn't vaccinated is an anti vaxxer.

Some are.
Some have been advised against the vaccine for medical reasons.
Some haven't got round to it.

Some, like me, prefer not to have it as a personal choice. But it's just that. I'm not seeking to influence anyone elses choice. But for me, I don't want to have it. I don't consider myself an anti vaxxer. I've had some other vaccinations. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm just a person who hasn't had a Covid vaccination.

MolyHolyGuacamole · 30/09/2021 11:14

@doublemonkey

People who've been vaccinated are just as lilkey to get Covid as those who haven't.

No they're not. This argument is tiring.

That's like saying people who wear seatbelts are just as likely to die as those not wearing seatbelts. Yes you can die if you're in an accident and were wearing a seatbelt. That doesn't make them ineffective.

ddl1 · 30/09/2021 11:30

'm vaccinated fully. I currently have Covid. I had it bad last week and I'm over the worse now.

I am sorry that you have Covid. But your being vaccinated may be why you aren't now in hospital in the ITU.

Sad state of affairs when we start to discriminate against others because they make a choice about their lives and their bodies.

It depends on the choice, and whether it affects you or your children, and what is meant by 'discrimination'. I don't believe, for example, in prohibition of alcohol, or even of excessive drinking, but most people would not choose a nanny who drank heavily on the job.

ddl1 · 30/09/2021 11:35

It does somewhat depend on her lifestyle and on why she isn't vaccinated. If she is cautious and avoids crowds, then I would not worry as much as if she goes to lots of parties and events. If she has medical reasons for not being vaccinated, then it is a very different matter than if she is full of conspiracy theories, or in general believes in not following medical advice. In the latter case, even if I wasn't so worried about Covid as such, I would worry about the decisions she might make about your children.

underneaththeash · 30/09/2021 11:41

I wouldn't as she'll need to keep SI every time she's in contact with a positive case.

There's plenty of nannies out there.

ddl1 · 30/09/2021 11:50

I have just RTFT and seen that she 'doesn't believe in vaccines'. That would be a deal-breaker for me, as it sounds as though she doesn't believe in any vaccines. This risks her communicating a variety of infections to the child (though she may have had some vaccines as a baby); means that she might be difficult about the child getting the MMR, etc; and means that she may object to other medical recommendations.

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