Angela Raynor

[Pixxie7]

I think her comments today were spot on, although not really professional she makes a valid point.

And I would add, I too know of some people who have benefited from 100% bursaries. I don't begrudge those individual children in the slightest, but honestly speaking, they were not the kind of kids who were ever going to struggle in the state sector in any case.

My primary concern is for the kids that really don't have a chance in the current system. Of course, I know that a bit of extra cash on pupil premium is not going to fix their disadvantage, but it would be a step in the right direction.

@elodie77. Amazon made $44b in Europe but I Luxembourg where it is HQed, it managed to make a loss so it paid no corporation tax. In the UK Amazon already is charged a 2% digital tax. It paid 0.37% in tax so it doesn't even pay that. So it will find a way around paying this 12% tax by how it structures the company. However, lots of other struggling and small companies will get caught in it and go under. Its troublesome that the shadow Chancellor doesn't understand what's happening and the repercussions her tax will have.

I will admit I am one of those parents whose child is at a private school on a significant bursary, because I felt it offered them the best education and therefore a better chance in a society that is so competitive and unfair, where housing and jobs are scarce.

I would still vote for Labour even if it meant my child couldn't continue at her private school. I would much rather the society was generally fairer and offered my child better opportunities so I didn't feel the need to send them to a private school to give them the best chance in life.

@Limejuiceandrum

Liverpool had made scapegoats of the police in the Hillsborough disaster, while refusing to acknowledge the part played by “drunken” fans “mindlessly” trying to fight their way in.

Complete myth that ‘drunken’ fans were trying to fight their way in. It has been proven and shown time and time again that the failings at Hillsborough were the responsibility of the police and Sheff Weds and their H and S failings. Add to that, the 160 police statements that were altered to make it look like the police were blameless.

To pinch one of Angela’s phrase - if you are that uneducated about what happened at Hillsborough, you are scum.

So, back to the point in hand. I agree with everything she said, but don’t like her as a person or politician. She refuses to acknowledge women and the need for single sex spaces and has no issue with her minions threatening and intimidating women at feminist meetings.

would still vote for Labour even if it meant my child couldn't continue at her private school. I would much rather the society was generally fairer and offered my child better opportunities so I didn't feel the need to send them to a private school to give them the best chance in life

Then if that’s how you feel you shouldn’t have sent them to a private school in the first place. You’re a complete hypocrite.

That was to Elodie.

Lucyccfc68

That poster was quoting Boris Johnson…obviously your point still stands

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

Lucyccfc68

That poster was quoting Boris Johnson…obviously your point still stands

Thank you for pointing that out.

Apologies to @Limejuiceandrum for calling you scum (unless you agree with Boris of course).

No worries 💐

Andante57

Thanks.

You don't think it's possible to have some principles and still to want to do what you can to give your children the best chance? I worry about my child's future and I believe the best way to go about trying to change things for the better is by voting for a party that can offer that. The Tories never will, just look at their track record.

My child did in fact go to a state school before, which was very run down, they were completely ignored and written off as 'well behaved' and nothing more. I think this is because the state system is underfunded and teachers are not valued and remunerated properly so many struggle with motivation. They just don't have the resources.

I'm hoping my child's school will motivate them to learn and do the best they can and I tell them that they should also grow up to give something back for all they have received.

It's the best I can do in an uncertain and unfair dog eat dog society, not having any savings, property or connections to help my child in the future.

What I would ask though is why can nothing be expected of the Tories? They can lie, cheat and swindle their way out of anything and people still vote for them and view them completely uncritically.

She's such an embarrassment.

But, @elodie77, you're critical of conservatives being without principles and acting in their own self interest, but haven't you acted in self interest and abandoned your principles by sending your child to an independent school? Perhaps tories who have well behaved children like yours send their children to private school for the same reasons as you.

Porridgealert I'm not holding myself as any kind of gold standard, but as someone just trying to manage and hope my children can do better than I did. As someone who has worked in minimum wage jobs, lived in bedsits and even squatted. I worry about my child having that kind of future.

Most Tories sending their kids to private school probably have safety nets that would protect them anyway and I doubt they have to worry particularly about their kids' future. If they did why wouldn't they vote for a fairer society overall?

And listening to people here moaning about having to pay people a living wage...

@elodie77

And listening to people here moaning about having to pay people a living wage...

It’s not moaning but asking questions on how

There’s no point on introducing a policy that kills businesses

It wouldn’t affect me directly I don’t pay staff a min wage but if it spirals inflation or causes unemployment then how is that good?

These are genuine questions there’s no point in just saying ‘moaning’

@elodie77

Porridgealert I'm not holding myself as any kind of gold standard, but as someone just trying to manage and hope my children can do better than I did. As someone who has worked in minimum wage jobs, lived in bedsits and even squatted. I worry about my child having that kind of future.

Most Tories sending their kids to private school probably have safety nets that would protect them anyway and I doubt they have to worry particularly about their kids' future. If they did why wouldn't they vote for a fairer society overall?

So you want to do what you think is best for your own children but are against those that do exactly the same thing as you because they don’t vote the same way as you do?

I'm really not sure about her. I'm happy there is a politician out there showing teen mums that they can accomplish anything (I had my own DC young and you do feel hopeless) but still I think she's going the wrong way about it...if she were a man and boris a woman, I doubt that sort of abusive rant would be tolerated well...

Also it’s good if you are getting a bursary and you are showing someone in a bedsit / min wage / squatting does receive it rather than pp claims that is not the case but I think you are overestimating how good this policy be good for your dc.

Those who are giving me a hard time: I don't have all the answers and I don't live my life to perfect ethical standards, but I do worry about this country becoming increasingly unequal, there is NO levelling up, no affordable housing, graduates fighting over low paid jobs and so on. I feel that Labour offer the best chance of something better. Or do you feel things are going well/are likely to improve with the Tories in power?

MarshaBradyo I hear you about small businesses and the minimum wage, I just got a bit riled and as I said I don't have all the answers.

That was a bit rambled! But I think it gets across - how good for your dc

The way she feels about Boris I felt about corbyn and how he damaged the Labour Party. But her wording is childish and embarrassing.

I can’t stand her but won’t drag myself down to her level by using personal language

MarshaBradyo I got it, and you're probably right, but that's why I think we need better policies that improve living standards for everyone and offer genuine opportunities for 'levelling up'. I thought what Keir said about the plans for digital, work and life skills for school leavers was inspiring!

I do like the idea of improving opportunities for all but actually if we could do it at same time as not removing your dd’s bursary (as a specific example) than all the better imo

I don't have all the answers and I don't live my life to perfect ethical standards

In that case maybe don’t criticise other people’s ethics.
You are in favour of state schools and would be happy to see private schools abolished yet you send your dc to a private school.
That’s like saying everyone should vote for a party who will raise taxes in UK even though you live in Monaco.

Andante57 I don't feel at all bad for criticising Boris Johnson and the Conservatives' ethics - after all even their supporters here agree they should be held to account by the opposition! I don't think I have criticised individual posters' ethics? Can you stop attacking me personally, it derails the conversation which actually had some substance?

And of course I'm JUST like someone living in Monaco!