Angela Raynor

[Pixxie7]

I think her comments today were spot on, although not really professional she makes a valid point.

Never a truer word said

Spoken by a woman who has stopped playing nice and no longer cares what people think.

About a man who never played nice and never cared about people full stop.

@deadleaves

My point was she was praising the support she received from benefits etc in 1996 when the conversatives were in, once again making a tit of herself

I think her point, to be fair, was that the conservative government have absolutely devastated council housing under right to buy meaning single mums (or indeed anyone) can no longer rely on council housing and certainly not in an area free from multiple problems of social and economic disadvantage.

Well yes. Except that it was all the main parties. The Lib Dems included (they recently won a by-election on a Nimby 'no new housing in our leafy shires' campaign).

Tony Blair very enthusiastically continued Right to Buy. By the time he got in, it was impossible to deny its terrible consequences.

Gordon Brown started the mass social cleansing - with his housing benefit cuts.

Tony Blair's war on the disabled was what set us on the path to the dismantling of the safety net.

Cameron was the self described heir to Blair.

@JaniieJones

I bet the Tores piss themselves laughing at this PR disaster from 'the opposition'.

No the Tories are pissing themselves laughing that people have fallen for Look, theres an unhinged, shouty woman rather than look at the Tory MP who talked about sending a bomb to a female member of the opposition.

If I suggested sending a bomb to a someone I'd be sacked. If misogyny was classed as terrorism James Gray would be arrested.

Quelle surprise; my post was removed, guess it's only Ang who's allowed to call people scum with impunity then, shouldn't be surprised; the moderation on this forum is questionably biased a lot of the times anyways, ahh well.

@MarshaBradyo so which Tory policies do you think are admirable? You keep on saying you can’t vote labour. So what do they have to do to win you over or rather what do the tories have to do to prove they really are corrupt? What lengths do they have to go to ? There doesn’t seem to be a tipping point for people, they just roll over and accept more of the same. Or they are probably fairly wealthy and it really doesn’t affect them and the faux concern about the northern working class is sheer bollocks underneath it all.

But I don’t read these and Labour are frustrating, I couldn’t vote for them currently

I think it would be worth considering why people think Labour are 'unelectable', 'unviable', 'not credible' - I think this is largely down to incredibly successful propaganda campaign by right wing media which is mostly owned by billionaire Rupert Murdoch.

If you think through history every policy that has benefited the majority of people in this country and raised living standards of most people has been introduced by Labour. The Conservatives have always served the interests of the rich and powerful, and they continue to do so, despite their threadbare lies (£350 million a week for the NHS, 40 new hospitals, anyone?) and pretending to represent the majority of people.

Who genuinely believes what they are saying. I do believe that Angela Rayner is genuine and passionate about trying improve the living standards of people from less advantaged backgrounds (which would be most of us!) - I also believe in David Lammy and what he stands for. Labour has good people. Can the same be said of the Conservatives? 'Professional liar' Boris Johnson? 'Throw the refugees back in the sea' Priti Patel? 'Love rat' Matt Hancock? 'Billionaire banker' Rishi Sunak?

Keir Starmer and his party are being held to an impossible standard while Boris and Co seem to be able to say and do absolutely anything and get away with cock up after cock up with no discernible impact on their popularity.

Even Tony Blair introduced the National Minimum Wage!

[quote Undeuxdrei]@MarshaBradyo so which Tory policies do you think are admirable? You keep on saying you can’t vote labour. So what do they have to do to win you over or rather what do the tories have to do to prove they really are corrupt? What lengths do they have to go to ? There doesn’t seem to be a tipping point for people, they just roll over and accept more of the same. Or they are probably fairly wealthy and it really doesn’t affect them and the faux concern about the northern working class is sheer bollocks underneath it all.[/quote]
FFS.

I can't answer for Marsha but here's some tips for the Labour Party.

1. Enough of the pathetic divide and rule regionalism (and any other stoked up divide based on lazy stereotypes, eg. age, class, etc). Deprived working class?

You don't have to go north to find it (and word of advice to anyone heading north to look, steer clear of Richmond, Yorks. Very affluent. Lots of rich residents including the current chancellor.

Ever heard of Jaywick, Essex? Cornwall?And then there's the capital of homelessness - London. You don't get more deprived than being homeless. There are 165,000 homeless in London. More people than the entire population of many UK towns. The average age of death for a homeless person is mid 40s.

1. End the racism. Be it antisemitic racism or racist attacks on Priti Patel, Sajid Javid, Kemi Badenoch, and others. That includes racist accusations of 'betraying their race' and similar.

1. Deal with the misogyny.

1. Don't like Tory policies? Instead of name calling and insults, outline what alternative policies you are offering.

The above would be a very good start.

@elodie77

Even Tony Blair introduced the National Minimum Wage!

Yeah but it was a pointless gesture. Better a slightly lower wage but affordable cost of living - including one of the main essentials, secure housing.

'Shes also saying how lucky she was she didnt have to worry about tuition fees. That will be because they were brought in under Labour....'

Exactly. As I've said an utter embarrassment every time she bellows.

Yeah. If I were Raynor I wouldn't trumpet too loudly about not having to pay university fees as that is an own goal. Really, she is clueless.

The reason she didn’t pay tuition fees is because she didn’t go to university. She’s got an NVQ in care from Stockport College.

[quote Clavinova]November 1997
Blair backs Harman over cut in lone-parent benefit.

www.independent.co.uk/news/blair-backs-harman-over-cut-lone-parent-benefit-1295256.html

March 2005
Blair: Single mothers 'piling up problems' in Britain's inner cities.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blair-single-mothers-piling-up-problems-in-britain-s-inner-cities-529604.html

March 2007
Tony Blair and Gordon Brown will jointly unveil proposals for lone parents with children aged over 11 to seek jobs or else face potential benefit sanctions.

www.theguardian.com/society/2007/mar/04/socialexclusion.politics[/quote]
Yes. And then there was their war on the disabled and Gordon Brown's housing benefit cuts that began the mass social cleansing.

but affordable cost of living - including one of the main essentials, secure housing.

Oh please - you think the Tories care about affordable cost of living? Have you happened to notice the hike up in food prices since Brexit? Secure housing, couldn't agree with you more, and that is not something the Tories have ever sought to provide for people either!

@Tealightsandd you are seriously quoting cut and paste tory bot clavinova Let's just admit it - the LP are responsible for everything that is wrong with the UK and the Tories have created nothing but good, in fact we only left the EU because every thing was great and the populace so content.

@elodie77
"Keir Starmer and his party are being held to an impossible standard while Boris and Co seem to be able to say and do absolutely anything and get away with cock up after cock up with no discernible impact on their popularity."

Interesting comment.
Why do you think this is?
And who is holding them to these standards?

[quote Undeuxdrei]@Tealightsandd you are seriously quoting cut and paste tory bot clavinova Let's just admit it - the LP are responsible for everything that is wrong with the UK and the Tories have created nothing but good, in fact we only left the EU because every thing was great and the populace so content.[/quote]
But the Tories keep getting elected. So assuming that, generally, the electorate is similar in intelligence to yourself, and so they can see everything is as bad as you say, why do you think they keep getting elected?

Interesting comment.
Why do you think this is?
And who is holding them to these standards?

Take this thread as an example. AR makes one ill judged comment (that happens to be true) and is annihilated. BJ makes any number of racist, sexist, homophobic and classist comments and gets away with it.

I think the media is heavily biased towards the Conservatives, which influences public opinion.

One thing that gives me hope though, is that I think young people are much more likely to support Labour and care much more about things such as the environment and equal rights and are more likely to be affected by the lack of affordable, secure housing etc, so more likely to vote Labour than the older generations!

Who genuinely believes what they are saying. I do believe that Angela Rayner is genuine and passionate about trying improve the living standards of people from less advantaged backgrounds (which would be most of us!) - I also believe in David Lammy and what he stands for.

Both think that men can be women and women can be men. I was of the thought that they didn’t believe in what they were saying on this but if they actually do…rather worrying.

@Tealightsandd I know richmond very well. I think it's an absolute hovel. I mean it must be. How many millions has Sunak wrangled from the regeneration fund for it above such wealthy hotspots as barnsley ?
And most of those places you quoted voted for brexit and are pretty disgruntled to find that a sunlit nirvana doesn't lie outside the EU, what with losing millions in EU grants not to be replaced as promised and the wholesale destruction of their fishing industry.
Fwiw Burnham is generally liked although no doubt a few hundred will come on here to tell me otherwise and the tories are stoking resentment with their pork barrel politics - heard of jenrick and his multimillion pound sops to property developers ?
And talking of rascism.. Heard of windrush ? And you agree with Patel and her attacks on immigrants ? And the increase in racist attacks since the Tory brexit. You do know that UKIP members en masse joined the tory party, something well documented ? Look at the attacks on the legal system ? All becoming normal and accepted as per pound shop trumpism.
Amersham not too pleased with tories was it ? No one is suggesting the LP isn't in big trouble, but to suggest all is well with the Tories is foolhardy and complacent.

[quote Undeuxdrei]@Tealightsandd you are seriously quoting cut and paste tory bot clavinova Let's just admit it - the LP are responsible for everything that is wrong with the UK and the Tories have created nothing but good, in fact we only left the EU because every thing was great and the populace so content.[/quote]
Nope. Both main parties (and the Lib Dems) are to blame. It's successive bad government going back at least 40 years.

We probably needn't worry...The actual robots will probably take over soon. 🤖

Amersham was about NIMBYism.

And, wrt racism Labour need to deal with theirs instead of constant whataboutery.

@elodie77

*Interesting comment. Why do you think this is? And who is holding them to these standards?*

Take this thread as an example. AR makes one ill judged comment (that happens to be true) and is annihilated. BJ makes any number of racist, sexist, homophobic and classist comments and gets away with it.

I think the media is heavily biased towards the Conservatives, which influences public opinion.

One thing that gives me hope though, is that I think young people are much more likely to support Labour and care much more about things such as the environment and equal rights and are more likely to be affected by the lack of affordable, secure housing etc, so more likely to vote Labour than the older generations!

Labour has had their eyes firmly fixed on the younger generation for at least the past two years. This is why they dont care they are losing voters. They are firmly focused on the 'be kind' generation.

@TooBigForMyBoots - What are your thoughts on an MP threatening to use acid against a woman she believed to be in a relationship with her partner, calling her a sl*g and threatening revenge porn?