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Angela Raynor

889 replies

Pixxie7 · 26/09/2021 17:54

I think her comments today were spot on, although not really professional she makes a valid point.

OP posts:
deadleaves · 28/09/2021 11:39

@merrymouse

Labour almost appear to have a deliberate strategy of narrowing, rather than widening, their voter base.

I think this is what happens when politicians are more focused on internal politics than winning elections.

Yup - well that's Corbyn's legacy.
abonae · 28/09/2021 11:55

An utterly dreadful person. Imagine if she were in power and meeting world leaders!

What would she say when she didn't get what she wanted from other countries?

Undeuxdrei · 28/09/2021 11:58

@JaniieJones you live up here then ?
When you see the disgrace that we have for a town, the lack of investment, the neglect, the dearth of decent paid jobs and the reliance on low skill low pay employment I think you are entitled to be sceptical about levelling up. Agree there seems to be a lot of investment in the north east. But why shouldn’t there be ? Why’s it taken so long ? Smells of pork barrel politics. Look at Sunaks constituency. Apparently it’s deprived Grin and needs regeneration money. Same with jake Berry conspiring to get money with Robert jenrick for areas that are far from poor but coincidentally Tory Hmm

fromdownwest · 28/09/2021 12:03

I live in Wales, and we have the worst of all home nations in respect of NHS waiting lists and Education (OECD rankings)

We have had a Labour run gov for decades.

They spend money on buying failing airports and rail services.

I have no real go to choice for a party as both Lab and Cons are an asbolute car crash.

Blossomtoes · 28/09/2021 12:03

@abonae

An utterly dreadful person. Imagine if she were in power and meeting world leaders!

What would she say when she didn't get what she wanted from other countries?

She couldn’t do any worse than Johnson who, as Foreign Secretary, managed to get Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe‘s sentence extended because he couldn’t be bothered to read his brief.
SueSaid · 28/09/2021 12:07

@abonae

An utterly dreadful person. Imagine if she were in power and meeting world leaders!

What would she say when she didn't get what she wanted from other countries?

How has she got to such a senior position? Wasn't she quoted as praising the gov in 1996 for all opportunities she had..when the Tories were in Grin.

She is gift that keeps on giving. You can see everyone in the HOC sniggering at her gaffes.

Blossomtoes · 28/09/2021 12:14

Wasn't she quoted as praising the gov in 1996 for all opportunities she had..when the Tories were in

She was 16 in 1996. A single mother who was a care worker. All her opportunities came from the Labour Party. You could at least try and stick to the facts.

Undeuxdrei · 28/09/2021 12:20

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SueSaid · 28/09/2021 12:27

'She was 16 in 1996. A single mother who was a care worker. All her opportunities came from the Labour Party.'

She was a single mother in 96 when the Tories were in power..

reaction.life/rayner-mixes-up-sadiq-and-sajid-twice/

Then there's this Confused.

She is an embarrassment.

Blossomtoes · 28/09/2021 12:28

She was a single mother in 96 when the Tories were in power.

That’s what I just said. You’re losing the plot.

SueSaid · 28/09/2021 12:32

'That’s what I just said. You’re losing the plot.'

www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1207317/General-Election-news-Labour-Party-Angela-Rayner-MP-Twitter-Shadow-Cabinet-manifesto-UK

She had a great education! a council house waiting for her. Lovely. All thanks to the tory government.

derxa · 28/09/2021 12:38

twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1442472425183010824
Here's Emily Thornberry telling everyone that it's not just women who have cervixes. Why do Labour do this?
They need a Neil Kinnock-type leader(male or female) telling them to get a grip.

Blossomtoes · 28/09/2021 12:43

@JaniieJones

'That’s what I just said. You’re losing the plot.'

www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1207317/General-Election-news-Labour-Party-Angela-Rayner-MP-Twitter-Shadow-Cabinet-manifesto-UK

She had a great education! a council house waiting for her. Lovely. All thanks to the tory government.

So you think a mediocre education, finishing at 16, and social housing after being thrown out by your stepfather when you’re pregnant are great opportunities? You need to raise your standards.
Tealightsandd · 28/09/2021 12:55

@derxa

twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1442472425183010824 Here's Emily Thornberry telling everyone that it's not just women who have cervixes. Why do Labour do this? They need a Neil Kinnock-type leader(male or female) telling them to get a grip.
Have they spoken about who has a penis and a prostate? Or are they focusing solely on cervixes?

social housing

Absolutely a fantastic opportunity. A secure affordable home - and the future is in your hands. It's probably the most essential thing to have in life.

Tealightsandd · 28/09/2021 12:57

^reaction.life/rayner-mixes-up-sadiq-and-sajid-twice/^

Well no surprise there. It's not as if Labour has a good record on racism.

SueSaid · 28/09/2021 13:00

'So you think a mediocre education, finishing at 16, and social housing after being thrown out by your stepfather when you’re pregnant are great opportunities? You need to raise your standards.'

No it certainly isn't the path I'd have chosen, I do have higher standards correct. However fortunately for Angela she had a good education and social housing was available to accommodate her. My point was she was praising the support she received from benefits etc in 1996 when the conversatives were in, once again making a tit of herself.

We can't be held responsible for her life choices can we.

deadleaves · 28/09/2021 13:00

@derxa

twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1442472425183010824 Here's Emily Thornberry telling everyone that it's not just women who have cervixes. Why do Labour do this? They need a Neil Kinnock-type leader(male or female) telling them to get a grip.
I wish that clip did not finish there - I would like to know how Emily responded.

Note Emily said 'There are men who have cervixes' (wrong Emily!) but the interviewer effectively corrected this to ' there are females who live as men who have cervixes. ' It shouldn't be hard for the Labour party to understand and develop policy based on this fact-based distinction.

deadleaves · 28/09/2021 13:05

My point was she was praising the support she received from benefits etc in 1996 when the conversatives were in, once again making a tit of herself

I think her point, to be fair, was that the conservative government have absolutely devastated council housing under right to buy meaning single mums (or indeed anyone) can no longer rely on council housing and certainly not in an area free from multiple problems of social and economic disadvantage.

Clavinova · 28/09/2021 13:12

Blossomtoes
She couldn’t do any worse than Johnson who, as Foreign Secretary, managed to get Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe‘s sentence extended

Did he?

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was arrested in April 2016, sentenced to 5 years imprisonment in September 2016, lost her final appeal in April 2017 - Boris Johnson's erroneous comment was made in November 2017 - she was already serving 5 years:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39697016
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41972704

elodie77 · 28/09/2021 13:15

@JaniieJones

'That’s what I just said. You’re losing the plot.'

www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1207317/General-Election-news-Labour-Party-Angela-Rayner-MP-Twitter-Shadow-Cabinet-manifesto-UK

She had a great education! a council house waiting for her. Lovely. All thanks to the tory government.

All thanks to the tory government Really?

"In 1919, Parliament passed the ambitious Housing Act which promised government subsidies to help finance the construction of 500,000 houses within three years. The 1919 Act - often known as the ‘Addison Act' after its author, Dr Christopher Addison, the Minister of Health (a member of the Liberal and Labour parties). It made housing a national responsibility, and local authorities were given the task of developing new housing and rented accommodation where it was needed by working people...

The Addison Act provided subsidies solely to local authorities and not to private builders. Many houses were built over the next few years in 'cottage estates'. The Housing, &c. Act 1923 (Neville Chamberlain Housing Act - Conservative) stopped subsidies going to council houses but extended the subsidies to private builders...

In the immediate post-war years, and well into the 1950s, council house provision was shaped by the New Towns Act 1946 and the Town and Country Planning Act 1947 of the 1945–51 Labour government. Simultaneously, this government introduced housing legislation that removed explicit references to housing for the working class and introduced the concept of "general needs" construction (i.e., that council housing should aim to fill the needs of a wide range of society). In particular, Aneurin Bevan, the Minister for Health and Housing, promoted a vision of new estates where "the working man, the doctor and the clergyman will live in close proximity to each other"...

For many working-class people, this housing model provided their first experience of private indoor toilets, private bathrooms and hot running water, as well as gardens and electric lighting. For tenants in England and Wales it also usually provided the first experience of private garden space (usually front and rear). The quality of these houses, and in particular the existence of small gardens in England and Wales, compared very favourably with social housing being built on the European continent in this period...

The 1951 Conservative government began to re-direct the building programme back from "general needs" towards "welfare accommodation for low income earners" The principal focus was on inner-city slum clearance, completing the job that was started in the 1930s. Harold Macmillan's task, as Minister for Housing, was to deliver 300,000 houses a year. These were 700 square feet (65 m2), 20% smaller than a Tudor Walters Bevan house, usually built as a two-bedroom terrace called "The Peoples House". From 1956, with the Housing Subsidy Act 1956 the government subsidy was restricted to only new houses built to replace those removed by slum clearance, and more money was given to tower blocks higher than six stories. With this subsidy, neighbourhoods throughout the country were demolished and rebuilt as mixed estates with low and high-rise building. At the same time the rising influence of modernist architecture, the development of new cheaper construction techniques, such as system building (a form of prefabrication), and a growing desire by many towns and cities to retain population (and thus rental income and local rates) within their own boundaries (rather than "export" people to New Towns and "out of boundary" peripheral estates) led to this model being adopted; abandoned inner-city areas were demolished, and estates of high-rise apartments blocks proliferated on vacant sites. Whole working class communities were scattered, and the tenants either relocated themselves to neighbouring overcrowded properties or became isolated away from friends in flats and houses, on estates without infrastructure or a bus-route...

The last major push in council home provision was made under the Wilson (Labour) government of 1964...

Laws restricted councils' investment in housing, preventing them subsidising it from local taxes, but more importantly, council tenants were given the Right to Buy in the Housing Act 1980 offering a discount price on their council house. Proposed as policy by Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and carried out under the remit of Secretary of State for the Environment Michael Heseltine, the Right To Buy scheme allowed tenants to buy their home with a discount of 33–50% off the market value, depending on the time they had lived there. Councils were prevented from reinvesting the proceeds of these sales in new housing, and the total available stock, particularly of more desirable homes, declined..."

Social Housing and the NHS, both built by Labour!

x2boys · 28/09/2021 13:25

@JaniieJones

'That’s what I just said. You’re losing the plot.'

www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1207317/General-Election-news-Labour-Party-Angela-Rayner-MP-Twitter-Shadow-Cabinet-manifesto-UK

She had a great education! a council house waiting for her. Lovely. All thanks to the tory government.

Shes also saying how lucky she was she didnt have to worry about tuition fees That will be because they were brought in under Labour....
wink1970 · 28/09/2021 13:29

She is a liability and if Kier Starmer doesn't get rid of her then the LP can wave goodbye to the next election and stay in opposition forever.

Yep, she's the gift that keeps on giving for the Conservatives.

I'm middle ground and as I get older I lean further to the left than the years before but she has pushed me right back, not just with this particular tirade.

whenwillthemadnessend · 28/09/2021 13:30

Like or loath Boris she is unprofessional and an embarrassment with her comments.

She thinks she is right on with the people of this country and what we want and think, but she needs to act like a grown up not a spice girl from the 90's. Even they are grown up now

She needs to be able to discuss at the top level with reason and clarity.

She comes across as loud mouthed and deranged huge leftie and I will never vote Labour will she is near the top. (Swing voter).

Clavinova · 28/09/2021 13:32

November 1997
Blair backs Harman over cut in lone-parent benefit.

www.independent.co.uk/news/blair-backs-harman-over-cut-lone-parent-benefit-1295256.html

March 2005
Blair: Single mothers 'piling up problems' in Britain's inner cities.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blair-single-mothers-piling-up-problems-in-britain-s-inner-cities-529604.html

March 2007
Tony Blair and Gordon Brown will jointly unveil proposals for lone parents with children aged over 11 to seek jobs or else face potential benefit sanctions.

www.theguardian.com/society/2007/mar/04/socialexclusion.politics

elodie77 · 28/09/2021 13:33

Shes also saying how lucky she was she didnt have to worry about tuition fees
That will be because they were brought in under Labour....

True, and I felt betrayed by New Labour for this and other reasons! I hope the current Labour Party doesn't swing back to the right!