Angela Raynor

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I think her comments today were spot on, although not really professional she makes a valid point.

@Tinpotspectator corbynite or johnson lover ? All the same.

This thread is about Angela Rayner’s use of language.

^this is the thread topic @Leibham. This is the discussion. How Angela Rayner is bad at her job - which is about using language to persuade people. She is not persuasive.

Talk all you like about Tories etc. But the thread and majority of the posts are not about that. They are about Angela Rayner, and women should be free to criticise her and any other politician without the victim-wailing ‘misogyny’ cries and other crap.

@OhWhyNot

What is misogynistic about calling AR unprofessional ?

I expect the party I have for years been a member of (I did have a break) and want in power to be a party led by intelligent MP’s who are able to take on the opposition without resorting to name calling and have moved on from student politics.

Was it professional of her to call an MP scum when he was making a speech?

Thankfully she shall be gone soon back to the benches with her lefty friends planning the revolution.

Could be worse she could have suggested bombing them, like Tory MP James Gray. Does that mean he wants to bomb all labour voters?

@OhWhyNot, I listed a whole load of misogynist slurs under "unprofessional", are they showing or are you too playing a game of not seeing the blatant sexist slurs because they're leveled against a woman you don't like?

Ha and now people get the issue with YouGov

After 18 months of 80% want to be locked up forever type quotes on here

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@sst1234

The bar in the Labour Party is so low, it makes you wonder how they manage to attract such dimwits. Tories have had two female leaders, both from working class backgrounds, Thatcher more so than May. Whatever you think about them both, they had balls of steel. Articulate, rational, women that people cared to listen to, even if they vehemently disagreed. Labour gives us someone who thinks she is on Jeremy Kyle everytime she opens her mouth. It’s embarrassing. Even more embarrassing when you think about how she lowers the bar for all women in high profile positions.

The Labour party have had a female leader. Margaret Beckett served as leader after the death of John Smith prior to the appointment of Tony Blair.

So why apply different standards to Angela Rayner? If Johnson didn’t put voters off with his racist and sexist comments, why would Rayner put them off with “scum”?

Because of the number of seats that Labour have to convert from Tory to Labour to win, and because the election wasn’t just about Brexit, it was about dislike of Corbyn.

You are right that people will be thinking about something else in 2024, but the fact that they are thinking about this in September 2021 doesn’t inspire confidence in the Labour Party.

So why apply different standards to Angela Rayner? If Johnson didn’t put voters off with his racist and sexist comments, why would Rayner put them off with “scum”?

Because she's a woman @Blossomtoes. The right wing press are playing the feminists here like a fiddle.

Find AR generally inarticulate and am disappointed with how unelectable the Labour Party continue to be.

If the public don’t want to hear politicians talk about scum then she can decide whether to be more professional or keep going

The public didn’t like Corbyn much either and he’s not a woman.

@samsalmon

Seriously, people want ideas, policies, solutions, maybe some cooperation between our political parties, there are so many challenges we are all facing. Just hurling insults at the other side just makes you look like a noisy twat with nothing of substance to say. I agree, she’s one of the people that make labour unelectable.

Absolutely agree. The trend to use insults instead of intelligent argument is to be deplored. We could end up with a parliament yelling abuse across the House like warring teenagers thinking they are being witty and clever. I suppose she was showing off for the rank and file at conference but I'm not impressed.

To be honest, I wonder that the reaction to Angela just shows up the country’s inherent snobbery towards northerners and sexism towards women.

I’m going to stop engaging in this debate as I’m more concerned about the absolute state of this country’s current government. We don’t have an election, so I’ll pay more attention when there is. It’s a distraction

@Laquila

Interestingly it's just struck me that the words used to describe her on this thread (at least the ones that have jumped out at me) are rarely used about men, are they? Loudmouth, uncouth, potty-mouthed, bolshy etc.

I agree to some extent but it might be more of a class issue.

All of those terms were used frequently about John Prescott. He did become Deputy Prime Minister, despite many people thinking he was an uncouth bolshy yob.

Labour or the left on here like to say the public is too thick, sexist or whatever insult

The trouble is they then don’t understand how to change and improve.

Labour has connected well before and won but they seem to have fallen down the hole of it’s everyone else’s problem.

@Tinpotspectator

Oh knock it off Kier chums. You're far more interested in kicking your own for piddling misdemeanours than arguing against any Tory policy. And in this climate?? That tells you everything.

I think a lot of people see the best hope of Labour victory is in supporting Starmer in regaining control of the party from the bullies, anti semites and hard left factions that have dominated for a few years. He is actually making good headway into this right now. Raynor seems to be quite clearly undermining him right now. It’s not that surprising since she was in the thick of it in the Corbyn era. Anyone in the thick of that might be wise to realise that accusing others of racism and misogyny suggests quite a lack of self awareness. In most jobs you would certainly be sacked for calling someone scum. Shouting from the sidelines doesn’t actually achieve anything.

The right wing press are playing the feminists here like a fiddle

No, feminists here already think Rayner doesn’t represent their concerns because she doesn’t think women need specific rights and services because of their sex. The ‘scum’ remark is just politically stupid.

Your suggestion that women on MN are incapable of independent thought seems in line with current Labour Party thinking, and that too is likely to lose them votes.

@Clavinova, saying you’re going to do something isn’t the same as actually doing it, now is it? Remember that old saying about believing something when you see it?

The right wing press are playing the feminists here like a fiddle

You’re right but I wouldn’t call them feminists. Quite a few pp have thrown away any claim they might have of feminist credentials. I bet they were all crying sexism on the postman thread though. 😂

More blaming others, women this time, for not wanting what Labour offer

TooBigForMyBoots

I read you list

I asked why do you feel she wasn’t being unprofessional?

I along with many on here feel she wasn’t.

Not suggesting misogynistic remarks about her haven’t been made. As they are to all female MP’s. When Theresa May was MP press where talking about her legs ffs

My issue is with the Labour Party being a party that people will want to vote for. The student politics and name calling from the left doesn’t help as the last few years have proved.

AR will soon be back on the benches. The Labour Party need to win back voters and put across to the public they are the better party to vote for so they need to act in such a way and AR has not

We need better from the Labour Party not equal or worse than how Tory politicians behave

@MarshaBradyo

More blaming others, women this time, for not wanting what Labour offer

You can not want what Labour offers as much as you like. I’m not sold on it either personally and they need to up their game. But if that’s what you’re taking from this thread you’re not paying attention.

Some of the language on this thread is the absolute epitome of misogyny. It doesn’t make it less so because women are using it.

Fwiw Starmer is at last trying to rid labour of corbyns legacy. He seems a decent man. Not the liability corbyn was despite the godlike status his followers accorded him. He’s trying to change the party for the good and rid it of the reputation of being full of far left dinosaurs. He’s challenged Johnson in parliament, many of his suggestions re covid were adopted by the tories, many labour manifesto policies have been quietly stolen by the tories. He’s trying to do what posters have clamoured for on here for ages but obviously it’s not good enough. Agreed that Rayner’s behaviour hasn’t helped but if people use this as a reason to keep a morally bereft government in power the country truly is messed up.
@Clavinova what happened to the northern powerhouse ? And exactly why do we need to level up after 12 years of Tory success ?

So if I don’t like Rayner I can’t be a Feminist?
I won’t support anyone based purely on their sex, just as I won’t dislike anyone based on their sex.
I hate Johnson as well - does that mean I am allowed to be a Feminist?

@Hoppinggreen

So if I don’t like Rayner I can’t be a Feminist? I won’t support anyone based purely on their sex, just as I won’t dislike anyone based on their sex. I hate Johnson as well - does that mean I am allowed to be a Feminist?

Is that really what you think anyone has said? Seriously?

Incorrect I am paying attention - To the typical it’s not us it’s them rhetoric the left hold on to

It’s frustrating to see it yet again

@MarshaBradyo so are we allowed to pull the government up on their appalling record ? Some of us suggest that this whole pathetic argument is distracting people from real issues that affect real people and we are accused of whataboutery. The government are inept yet AR is a danger to the fabric of Britain. Weird.