Angela Raynor

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I think her comments today were spot on, although not really professional she makes a valid point.

Why can’t we discuss what the thread is about rather than someone else?

This thread is misogynistic pile on. It's MC women (some of them feminists🤨) circling the wagons to protect a very privileged, powerful man from the angry words of a working class woman. It's the sexist media employing all the sexist tropes at their disposal to deflect attention and Mnetters falling for it.

@TooBigForMyBoots

Why can’t we discuss what the thread is about rather than someone else?

This thread is misogynistic pile on. It's MC women (some of them feminists🤨) circling the wagons to protect a very privileged, powerful man from the angry words of a working class woman. It's the sexist media employing all the sexist tropes at their disposal to deflect attention and Mnetters falling for it.

Eh? Firstly you've no idea what class most of us are. Secondly, my view of her is shaped by what she says and does, not what the media tell me to think, and absolutely not her sex. Dismissing other women's views as misogyny assumes that we are unable to think for ourselves and form our own opinions. A bit like misogyny really...

Apologies @ThatSunnyCorner, I did not mean to exclude WC posters who have also participated in this sexist shitshow.

What are your views on James Gray?

Quite, it seems wanting to blow people up is more palatable than calling them scum

@TooBigForMyBoots

Why can’t we discuss what the thread is about rather than someone else?

This thread is misogynistic pile on. It's MC women (some of them feminists🤨) circling the wagons to protect a very privileged, powerful man from the angry words of a working class woman. It's the sexist media employing all the sexist tropes at their disposal to deflect attention and Mnetters falling for it.

Spot on. This thread’s an absolute disgrace.

And she is winning votes @IvorHughJarrs - she’s won her seat in three elections now, so she must be doing something right.

Her majority more than halved last time.

Start a thread on James Gray and I'd be more than happy to discuss him.

She comes across as trying too hard to 'say it how it is' in a rough manner with no grace, or apparent intelligence.

The public have more respect for people who can handle situations without the name calling and insults, as a politician you need the capability to handle affairs that need a cool head. The hatred she displays is a huge turn off for many. Labour are a long way off being electable for me.

@IvorHughJarrs

Spot on

Start a thread on James Gray and I'd be more than happy to discuss him

What’s wrong with this one? It’s still got over 500 posts to go. .

This thread is misogynistic pile on. It's MC women (some of them feminists🤨) circling the wagons to protect a very privileged, powerful man from the angry words of a working class woman.

Have you actually read the thread? You don’t need to make Angela Rayner into. Some kind of victim here. Pretty sure she won’t thank you for that, either.

@Blossomtoes

Start a thread on James Gray and I'd be more than happy to discuss him

What’s wrong with this one? It’s still got over 500 posts to go. .

Because it's whataboutery, that's why

It’s not whataboutery. Male Tory issues death threat - no big deal. Female Labour MP tells a few home truths about the government - massive pearl clutching pile on. If that’s not skewed priorities and misogyny I don’t know what is.

Her comments may have been made somewhat coarsely but they're no worse than the level of insult issued by other politicians more eloquently. She's receiving some criticism just because she's female and from a working class background. However, all politicians who converse in this way lose my respect. I can't stand the insult-hurling, point-scoring, I'll-disagree-with-the-other-party-on-principle-rather-than-consider-the-argument type of politician. It's all about their careers rather than the people they're supposed to represent.

@Blossomtoes

It’s not whataboutery. Male Tory issues death threat - no big deal. Female Labour MP tells a few home truths about the government - massive pearl clutching pile on. If that’s not skewed priorities and misogyny I don’t know what is.

I'm not going to detail this thread with blatant whataboutery so will not respond further. 'Pearl clutching' - just a posh version of calling someone Karen.

Yes @PersonaNonGarter I have read the thread. Off the top of my head I have read that AR is:
Unprofessional
Uncouth
Common as muck
Unhinged
If she hadn't said anything or said it nicer...
Whining
Mouthy
Should be representing all women/working class people.
Is responsible for the current Conservative government.
Is responsible for the demise of the Labour Party and the reason they will never hold power again.
Is sleeping with another woman's husband.

I'm sure I've missed out quite a lot but this thread is Misogyny Bingo.

It isn't Whataboutery. Its discussing a very similar thing that happened at the same time and comparing the two @ThatSunnyCorner.

Vicky pollard

She has thrown women under the bus. I dont care how working class she is, she is no friend to women. And women are allowed to say so.

@MiladyBerserko

She has thrown women under the bus. I dont care how working class she is, she is no friend to women. And women are allowed to say so.

So true. A misogynist foul mouthed hypocrite.

@MiladyBerserko

She has thrown women under the bus. I dont care how working class she is, she is no friend to women. And women are allowed to say so.

Women, including AR (who is a real woman and not a "caricature" of one as mentioned upthread)should be able to say what they like without being subjected to the kind of misogynistic bollocks that has been written on this thread. All women, not just the ones we agree with or who fall under the category of People Like Us.

What is misogynistic about calling AR unprofessional ?

I expect the party I have for years been a member of (I did have a break) and want in power to be a party led by intelligent MP’s who are able to take on the opposition without resorting to name calling and have moved on from student politics.

Was it professional of her to call an MP scum when he was making a speech?

Thankfully she shall be gone soon back to the benches with her lefty friends planning the revolution.

@Iggly

I can't be the only one who thinks that's bullshit? Surely you'd be able to tell that something that looks and smells like shaving foam, and which is on the shelf away from all other foodstuffs isn't actually a food itself?

Having grown up in a severely chaotic household with a mum with severe mental health issues, I can absolutely see that this could happen.

My mum used to serve us cheap and nasty pizzas which were still frozen at her low points. I remember, I was about 10, and quietly putting them back in to the oven to cook for me and my brother. I have plenty of other examples.

It was shit. And shocking on reflection. So yes I believe her. Why the fuck would she lie?

Some people are so narrow minded that they can only understand life being lived as how they experience it.

A pizza that's still frozen is still food!

Shaving foam isn't!

If I went to work and called my colleagues scum, I would lose my job.

So going by the cadence of previous comments she’s a horrible mouthy working class woman. Awful northern accent. Common as muck in her cheapo flashy pound shop clothing. Single mother at 16, no qualifications to speak of, terrible mother, how on earth did she manage to be nominated and then actually win an election. Repeatedly ?
Funny how a government can happily cause thousands of people demonstrable hardship and pain through shit decision making and ineptitude but call them out and crikey you are a threat to the fabric of society I thought her language was crude and unnecessary but let’s be honest who are the real villains here ?
And Lol at the idea of the sisterhood.

IMHO there are (broadly speaking) two types of MP's.

You have your typical party loyal "career" MP and then you have your "activists".

Much like Corbyn, Raynor is the latter.

They can be very useful within a party in terms of holding a mirror to itself, forcing uncomfortable debate and being somewhat fearless (or reckless depending on your view) with their own public image because fundamentally they are fuelled by a sense of righteousness re: their cause(s).

Yes, they may well garner some loyal supporters with whom they really resonate but they repel in equal (if not more) measure.

The issues arise when these MP's are elevated above the back benches.

They forget they are no longer just representing themselves, their constituents, their causes, but the party as a whole and now they have the platform where ALL the electorate is listening (not just the niche fringe groups).

If Labour were to win the next GE you would expect that AR as deputy would get a significant role in govt.

Whether you agree with what she said or not, most voters will not want the potential next Foreign Secretary (for example) to think it's ok to call the French (or any other) President scum, regardless of if it's true or not, because that's not appropriate statecraft.

As a member of the Shadow Cabinet you have to think of it as a bloody long job interview.

In other words you have to behave in a way that's appropriate to the position of power you aspire to hold.

AR does not do this. It's nothing to do with her accent, background or sex. Corbyn did not do this either and Starmer isn't doing a great job let's face it.

Having policies and fronting your party with people that are decidedly "marmite" doesn't get you elected, especially when the rhetoric is one of moral superiority whilst using aggressive language and in some cases trying to suppress reasonable debate.

Labour lost so many voters in the last election and I cannot see how anything they are doing right is is going to win them back.

Rather they are just making many "deserters" like myself feel more comfortable about not voting for them again.