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Why is Sabina Nessa murder not all over the media?

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postingfortraffichere · 22/09/2021 23:45

Such a tragic killing and sad, truly awful to hear about this murder.

Though I can't understand why, it doesn't get the same media/public attention as Sarah Everard who died in similarly tragic circumstances not long ago.

Both are equally tragic, two young women attacked in similar circumstances - the only difference I can see in these cases is the colour of their skin. Sarah's murder was everywhere - before we knew it was a police officer responsible.

Women had lined the streets in protest to make the country a safer place for women.

I can't help but notice where are these women protesting for Sabina? Or for the Killmarsh murders, or other women of colour?

The media treats women of colour - even to this day - very differently to white women.

It feels like the media are sending a clear message that black lives STILL 'don't matter' quite as much as their white counterparts.

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Unsure33 · 23/09/2021 08:18

I disagree with OP and agree that unfortunately there are many murders of women of all races that go under the radar in the media. They are two different cases , different circumstances and perhaps had supporters who knew how to handle the media. A police officer is one of the last people you would think would be responsible and there was a huge search beforehand for Sarah .

The media also have to respect the fact that when a murderer has not been found they have to be careful about what can be discussed and what must be kept under wraps .

Plus the media is covering the case .

Plumtree391 · 23/09/2021 08:18

Nobody has said Sarah Everard was privileged, indeed she was an ordinary enough girl.

However those of us who are white are privileged regardless of our status, we often don't realise and just take it for granted. We have to step outside of our box to see it objectively.

Now I have said that I am reminded of a conversation I had with my son not that long ago; he has spent a lot of time working in America with many people and he said it made him realise what an advantage it is to be a white person. He gave me a few examples of how that was brought home to him and I was actually quite shocked.

We both wish that things could be different, more egalitarian but pretending that life is fair for everybody is just naive - and I am far from being a virtue signaller.

The Sabina Nessa case is on Breakfast tv right now.

Onyernelly · 23/09/2021 08:19

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storkstalk · 23/09/2021 08:19

They’re very different circumstances. Sarah Everard’s case was initially a missing person search for which her friends and family worked hard to gain support. Sadly for Sabina her case started with her body being found and as such there was much less the public could do to help.

Footle · 23/09/2021 08:19

Reported, to at least get Sabina Nessa's name spelt correctly.

OnwardsAndSideways1 · 23/09/2021 08:19

I'd forgotten about Julia James, and that was also a very random murder in a very ordinary setting, I think she was taking her dog for a walk, like millions of women do every evening.

Women were told to avoid woods, to lower their risk, just like they now need to avoid parks, police, and indeed probably going outside at all if they don't want to get murdered...

Cadent · 23/09/2021 08:20

[quote Onyernelly]@Cadent trolling on a board about the murder of women.

Good look.

You’re clearly a terrible person so I won’t be acknowledging you or responding to you moving forward.[/quote]
Actually the terrible people are the racists on this thread.

ithinkilikeit · 23/09/2021 08:21

@GCAcademic you are particularly missing the pint and trying to use the fact that you are apparently a women of colour (which none of us can verify and is frankly irrelevant ) to support your point. Why do you think that people can only talk about one thing at a time. Why don’t you start a thread about male violence instead of insisting that people talking about a specific issue in disparity of media reporting are missing the point about male violence.

GCAcademic · 23/09/2021 08:22

What’s weak is asserting a statement was made ‘Sarah Everard was priviliged’ and then not being able to back it up and quoting someone out of context. No one has said Sarah Everard was priviliged.

Yes, they did. I literally posted the comment that said that having friends to advocate "on your behalf speaks to privilege". You're the one taking that comment out of context, because it was said within the specific context of a discussion on the thread about Sarah Everard's friends advocating "on her behalf" (as if she fucking benefitted from it, ffs). It's not me who is taking posts out of context.

UsedUpUsername · 23/09/2021 08:25

However those of us who are white are privileged regardless of our status, we often don't realise and just take it for granted. We have to step outside of our box to see it objectively

If you are a woman over 40, good luck getting anyone to care about your being missing or murdered, especially if you also happen to be poor or ‘doing something’ (ie on drugs or sex work) to be seen as related somehow.

This is far more relevant than skin colour.

GreatPotato · 23/09/2021 08:25

I think it has and Sarah's murder didn't get the "traction" straightaway.

Another pretty middle class woman and there is lots of publicity. It's poor women without a lovely photo who are invisible.

Lots of harm to women doesn't get enough coverage, but this one is everywhere.

Dontgetyerknicksinatwist · 23/09/2021 08:27

It is the top story on the Mail online.

Cadent · 23/09/2021 08:27

@GCAcademic

What’s weak is asserting a statement was made ‘Sarah Everard was priviliged’ and then not being able to back it up and quoting someone out of context. No one has said Sarah Everard was priviliged.

Yes, they did. I literally posted the comment that said that having friends to advocate "on your behalf speaks to privilege". You're the one taking that comment out of context, because it was said within the specific context of a discussion on the thread about Sarah Everard's friends advocating "on her behalf" (as if she fucking benefitted from it, ffs). It's not me who is taking posts out of context.

Saying it’s a privilege to have friends speak for you is not the same as saying Sarah Everard was privileged. The former is a truth, the latter would be cruel and tasteless. Do you really not see the difference?
Shoxfordian · 23/09/2021 08:28

There have been several women murdered since Sarah Everard; majority of which are not reported to the same level as her death

Dontgetyerknicksinatwist · 23/09/2021 08:29

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DukeOfEarlGrey · 23/09/2021 08:29

@Simonjt

Typical missing white woman syndrome, people claiming Sarahs awful murder was in the news more as she was killed by an officer, care to explain why coverage was so heavy before anyone knew it was an officer?

Blessing Olusegun is a classic case, police action wasn’t taken until her family complained.

Without wanting to diminish any of the other factors in discussion here, I’m pretty sure that things are known well before we see them in the press and that what we then receive as the public is an attempt at control / management of these women’s stories.
wellards · 23/09/2021 08:29

I think Sarah's case was actually the anomaly in terms of press attention. For one "disappearing" of the street & going missing is more of a story then finding a body & arresting someone. It's unpalatable but it's true plus the police officer as the suspect is also a big deal.

I also think there is a tendency to "other" victims & this does happen to ethnic minorities more than white but does also apply generally. You see a murder victim in the paper & see someone is arrested & assume the suspect is known to the victim because that's what we are always told & you feel "safer" because it wasn't a stranger attack. Sabina's case is getting more attention now because I don't think they have a suspect. All these cases need more attention.

GCAcademic · 23/09/2021 08:30

Saying it’s a privilege to have friends speak for you is not the same as saying Sarah Everard was privileged. The former is a truth, the latter would be cruel and tasteless. Do you really not see the difference?

The discussion was about Sarah Everard. Therefore it's not unreasonable to think that while the general can be extrapolated from the specific, a general point can also be taken to apply to the specific case that was being discussed on the thread.

I did think it was cruel and tasteless, yes.

Watercoloursky · 23/09/2021 08:30

@OnwardsAndSideways1

I'd forgotten about Julia James, and that was also a very random murder in a very ordinary setting, I think she was taking her dog for a walk, like millions of women do every evening.

Women were told to avoid woods, to lower their risk, just like they now need to avoid parks, police, and indeed probably going outside at all if they don't want to get murdered...

I remember there were threads on Mumsnet at the time asking why her case wasn't getting more publicity (eg www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4233918-The-Murder-of-Julia-James)
Innocenta · 23/09/2021 08:31

It can simultaneously be true that (1) missing white woman syndrome is real, and BAME victims are less-covered by the media, AND (2) Sarah and Sabina's cases have key differences that make it fairly unhelpful to compare them.

I think it's important to note that where it's possible to draw direct factual comparisons - e.g. the details of the vigil - Sabina is not being neglected or unrecognised. Ignoring that makes the dialogue about this issue feel counterfactual, whereas it should be possible to acknowledge the realities of how her case is (rightly) being accorded public attention, and yet still to discuss the wider systemic neglect of BAME victims.

IReallyCantThinkOfAnything · 23/09/2021 08:31

Sarah was kidnapped and murdered by a police officer who is supposed to protect us. I think that contributed to the level of news coverage.

However, Sabina is the first story on everything I’ve seen this morning. Rightly so, the level of violence towards women in society is at epidemic proportions.

EnidSpyton · 23/09/2021 08:32

What really matters here is that another woman has been murdered by a man. Male violence is an epidemic, it is killing women every single day, of every skin colour, every social class, etc. Rather than infighting over 'privilege' when it comes to media reporting of female victims of male violence, perhaps we could direct our energies to working together to publicise, protest about and push for change when it comes to male violence?

Last week we had the poor woman, her two children and her daughter's friend murdered in their beds by her boyfriend in the news.

This week it's Sabina.

A month or so ago the incel bloke on a rampage in Portsmouth, killing his mother before murdering bystanders.

In between these cases have been hundreds more that have gone totally unreported.

Why? Because they're often classed as 'isolated domestic violence' incidents.

Calling this violence 'domestic' minimises it and enables it to be brushed under the carpet. Anything to do with the domestic is automatically classed as to do with women and therefore of lesser importance.

Anything 'domestic' is also automatically labelled as 'isolated' - i.e. nothing to see here, move on, won't affect you. Absolute bollocks. All domestic violence cases are linked - linked to a wider societal acceptance of male violence which exists due to patriarchy and a sense of male entitlement which makes all women, everywhere, all the time, vulnerable to abuse and injury. If the same number of men were murdered by female partners as the other way around, there would be legislation, there would be task forces, there would be education, there would be outcry. But because it's 'just' women being obliterated off the face of the earth on a regular basis, no one in power does anything about it.

This is made even worse by the pathetic women who join the #notallmen chorus every time a woman is murdered. No, it's not all men. But it's ALWAYS MEN. Isn't it? Men kill men, men kill women. Male violence is a thing. It's statistically proven, in every society, all over the world, since time immemorial - in general, men are violent and women aren't. Just because your husband or son is lovely, doesn't mean you can ignore the fact that men in general are violent towards women. And if you include harrassment, heckling, groping, sexist comments, sex discrimination, etc within the terminology of 'violence' - then we're all experiencing this, every single day, and denial that we are is the greatest victory of the patriarchy, I'm afraid.

On the topic of the thread, yes, there is of course racial bias in the media, when it comes to everything. There is also class bias, location bias, etc. A poor white woman's murder, or a white prostitute's murder, is not going to get reported in the national news in the same way a middle or upper class white woman's murder will be. The murder of someone in London will undoubtedly get more attention than in Northumberland. A university educated black or Asian woman with a high flying career being murdered will generate much higher volumes of interest in the media than a benefit-collecting white woman's murder. Any murder related to suspected gang violence will be brushed under the carpet. This isn't just about race, and is just as much about class, actually - notice how Sabina's image in the press has been of her with her university degree - emphasising that this was an educated, professional woman. Had she been a single mum on a council estate, the press coverage would have been very different.However, comparing Sabina and Sarah is like comparing apples with oranges. Sarah Everard was missing for several days with the hope she would be found alive - much of the press coverage was appealing for witnesses to try and find her. Sabina was found already murdered and a suspect already arrested. There's no real 'hook' for the media to hang a story on there. Nonetheless, I disagree that she hasn't had plenty of media coverage. She has. As she should. I hope that the perpetrator is swiftly caught and rots in hell for all eternity. I grew up nearby and know where she was murdered well - it's a space I've always thought of as very safe and quiet, and again, just emphasises that male violence can happen to any of us, anywhere, any time. This is what we need to be uniting to fight. In order to protect all women, everywhere.

Cadent · 23/09/2021 08:32

@UsedUpUsername

However those of us who are white are privileged regardless of our status, we often don't realise and just take it for granted. We have to step outside of our box to see it objectively

If you are a woman over 40, good luck getting anyone to care about your being missing or murdered, especially if you also happen to be poor or ‘doing something’ (ie on drugs or sex work) to be seen as related somehow.

This is far more relevant than skin colour.

Skin colour is very relevant unfortunately.

The Office of National Statistics said:

For the year ending March 2018 to year ending March 2020 combined, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) showed that those in the Black or Black British and Mixed ethnic groups were significantly more likely than those in the White, Asian or Other ethnic groups to experience sexual assault within the last year (Figure 5)

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/sexualoffencesvictimcharacteristicsenglandandwales/march2020

ithinkilikeit · 23/09/2021 08:33

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